Yum bonus tutorial - step by step guide to start with x10 yum chain

BerrypickerAF · 2019-02-26 18:42:21

This is more for beginners, I just wanted to share how I'm able to kick off a game with a decent yum bonus. If you're an advanced player feel free to discuss some further strats in the replies. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to get the maximum bonus, I just focused on the easiest route i found to consistently obtain x10.

Prerequisite: You are born into a larger camp/small town. As long as you have a kitchen and crops you're in a great position to start a yum chain.

1. Berry
As soon as you can pick things up, get to the berry patch and stuff one of those sweet suckers into your face

2. Berry (the sequel)
Find a bowl, put a berry into it, pick up the bowl and eat it as soon as you're down a pib

3. Carrot
Hit up the crops and grab a carrot. You may not be hungry yet, so carry it around and find resources for a fire

4. Corn
While gathering supplies for fire, shuck a corn and eat it whole like an animal

5. Egg
Every camp I've seen has at least a couple eggs laying around the outskirts by the farm. You just need a fire, flat stone, a plate and an egg. You should have enough food and some supplies ready now. Throw the rock on hot coals, Cook that egg and eat it, and start another fire.

6. Rabbit
Those rabbits that are littering the fur farm? Skewer one and roast it over the second (now dead) fire you made.

7. 8. 9. 10. Foraging
Grab a pie (just in case) and head to the wilderness. Our goals are burdock (green grass), wild carrot (yellow grass), cactus fruit (brown dry lands) and banana (jungle)

Congrats, you now have a good start and ideally haven't even taken a bite of pie. Head back to camp and do whatever you want. When you get hungry, hit up the bakery for bread, pies, meat and all other goodies or grab a bowl of stew. Cook up unusual pies (most only bake mutton and rabbit but forget you can make so many types) and you shouldn't have to worry about hunger again.

Some bonus food ideas:
Turkey broth (bones+crock+water)
The Holy Trinity pie (rabbit+carrot+berries)
Dairy (milk/skim/butter)

Last edited by BerrypickerAF (2019-02-26 18:49:06)

Booklat1 · 2019-02-26 18:50:12

dpnt yum like this, yumming with raw foods has been proven wasteful many times.

carrots, the best raw food, are only worth it at 17 yum, costs considered. use meat pies, milk, stew and berries tp yum. avoid carrots, beans and corn at all costs.

BerrypickerAF · 2019-02-26 19:20:11

Booklat1 wrote:

dpnt yum like this, yumming with raw foods has been proven wasteful many times.
carrots, the best raw food, are only worth it at 17 yum, costs considered. use meat pies, milk, stew and berries tp yum. avoid carrots, beans and corn at all costs.

You're absolutely right - but you have to consider availability and accessibility to new players. It's more meant to introduce the idea of yum bonus, perfection and conservation can be refined once the base idea has taken root.

CrazyEddie · 2019-02-26 19:49:36

Congratulations, you've wasted some of the village's raw foods and wasted a truckload of your own productive time.

Yum is a toy.

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BerrypickerAF · 2019-02-26 19:59:55

Wow, mind being a bit less toxic? Do you want more players and help make the game more accessible to newcomers or do you just want to crush them with meta as soon as they load up the game?

Twisted · 2019-02-26 20:05:33

Yum is not a toy, it's a super powerful mechanic that creates food out of thin air, plus it's unaffected by the size of your food bar.

That being said some foods, such as carrots and shucked corn, should only be eaten with a big yum bonus.

Booklat1 · 2019-02-26 20:09:11

Twisted wrote:

Yum is not a toy, it's a super powerful mechanic that creates food out of thin air, plus it's unaffected by the size of your food bar.
That being said some foods, such as carrots and shucked corn, should only be eaten with a big yum bonus.

its not that powerful, man. you gotta count on other people having high yums for most foods being better than just producing pies and milk.

Tarr · 2019-02-26 20:10:04

The issue with yum is your own efficiency doesn't play into overall efficiency. You might be taking all the right steps to eat the right things and make the most use of your food but in the end the seven adults eating berries outweighs the good you're doing for yourself.

In solo or small group play yum is incredibly good as you can devote some amount of time to saving yourself more time at a later playtime. On populated servers its just better to eat high value good foods in general. If a town has plenty of readily available yum it's advisable to chain if not you're fine to just eat whatever (good) food is available.

Booklat1 · 2019-02-26 20:11:35

CrazyEddie wrote:

Congratulations, you've wasted some of the village's raw foods and wasted a truckload of your own productive time.
Yum is a toy.

you ok Ed? this a bit unlike you

you are right though, yumming in this manner is wasteful.

yaira · 2019-02-26 20:13:13

should i wait until i become hungry
or is it ok to eat just when possible?
whats the reason avoiding carrot, corn, beans?

CrazyEddie · 2019-02-26 20:22:59

Avoid overeating, i.e. don't eat a big food (like pie) when you're only missing a small number of pips.

Otherwise, no, you don't have to wait until you become hungry. Eat when it's convenient for your particular situation at the time. Maybe that's when you're hungry, maybe that's sooner. Don't wait until you only have a single pip; you'll risk dying if there's something that delays you for some reason. This happens to new players a lot.

DestinyCall · 2019-02-26 20:48:18

yaira wrote:

should i wait until i become hungry
or is it ok to eat just when possible?
whats the reason avoiding carrot, corn, beans?

All raw crop foods have better processed alternatives which provide significantly more food in exchange for a little extra processing time and effort. If you eat raw foods for yum, you are potentially wasting the benefits that could have been gained by processing the basic ingredients into a better, more nutritous, and longer-lasting food option for your village.

For example, fresh corn can be made into popcorn or stew. Green beans could be left to dry and used for stew or burritos. Carrots are best used for sheep food and compost, if your village has sheep. Raw rabbit and mutton are best made into pies, rather than eaten raw. Wheat is also best used in pies, rather than baked into bread. Whole milk is a better option than skim milk and buttered bread. One exception to processing improvement is berries. Berry pies are not good enough to justify processing berries into pies. If you need to eat berries, it is okay to eat them raw or from a bowl. However, berries are not a good food for adults. They cost too much to produce. Save them for composting and feeding sheep, whenever you can. Pies and stew are better choices.

If you want to yum chain responsibly, you should avoid using ineffiecient foods to extend your chain. Unless your village has a significant abundance of good food, do not eat cooking ingredients. Let the chain break and start over. Yum bonus is great, but it can't always make up for intentionally eating the wrong foods, especially when food is in short supply.

Greep · 2019-02-26 21:07:35

Yum is great for pumping out babies at dead hours Otherwise less great. It can be good for the bonus if your town is dedicated to it, but on a main server people are just going to randomly eat all of your specialty pies and stuff

DestinyCall · 2019-02-26 21:43:38

BerrypickerAF wrote:

This is more for beginners, I just wanted to share how I'm able to kick off a game with a decent yum bonus. If you're an advanced player feel free to discuss some further strats in the replies. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to get the maximum bonus, I just focused on the easiest route i found to consistently obtain x10.

I understand that you are trying to teach new players about yum, but it is best to teach good eating habits, too. This is especially true when teaching new players, because they will not understand why it is bad to eat the last carrot in the village. Start from a solid foundation.

BerrypickerAF wrote:

Prerequisite: You are born into a larger camp/small town. As long as you have a kitchen and crops you're in a great position to start a yum chain.

You can start a yum chain anywhere and at any time. The size of the village does not matter. The only question is how long you can (or should) extend it and if it is worth the extra time/effort. There usually comes a point where you are spending more time looking for your next meal than working on stuff that actually benefits the village. That's usually good time to let your chain break and start over.

Personally, I think yumming is best reserved for elders. If you start yumming in your late forties/fifties, you can get a nice long chain going toward the end of your life, allowing you to remain productive even in your twilight years. Yumming in childhood is harder, because you will spend too much time seeking out appropriate options in a new village where you are not familar with the available wild foods and farm layout. And yumming in the prime of your life can be an unnecessary distraction. You could achieve a similar result by keeping a pie in your backpack or apron. The extra time to find increasingly rare food tends to eat up any time savings from needing to eat less frequently as an adult.

BerrypickerAF wrote:

1. Berry
2. Berry (the sequel)
3. Carrot
4. Corn
5. Egg
6. Rabbit
7. 8. 9. 10. Foraging
burdock (green grass), wild carrot (yellow grass), cactus fruit (brown dry lands) and banana (jungle)

A few corrections - wild carrots are counted as identical to domestic carrots. You want wild onions instead. And gathering wild food from the desert is a bit dangerous now, due to the extreme temperature. It can be done, but I would recommend gathering from the edge, without stepping on any desert tiles, if you can. Lastly, eating fresh corn or domestic carrots is not a good idea. If you want to eat corn, let it dry, put the cob into a bowl and roast over a fire. Popcorn is a nice snack and lets up to four people benefit from yum. Likewise, you should be careful to avoid cooking too many rabbits. They are needed for making meat pies. Only do this if your village already has enough meat pies. And if you are going to do it, always cook the rabbit BEFORE you cook the eggs. That saves making two different fires. Bonus points if also roast a goose and make a plate of burritos at the same time.

BerrypickerAF wrote:

Congrats, you now have a good start and ideally haven't even taken a bite of pie. Head back to camp and do whatever you want. When you get hungry, hit up the bakery for bread, pies, meat and all other goodies or grab a bowl of stew. Cook up unusual pies (most only bake mutton and rabbit but forget you can make so many types) and you shouldn't have to worry about hunger again.
Some bonus food ideas:
Turkey broth (bones+crock+water)
The Holy Trinity pie (rabbit+carrot+berries)
Dairy (milk/skim/butter)

Turkey and milk are great, but "Holy Trinity Pie" is bad food. It does not cover the cost of its own ingredients. Please don't teach new players to bake berry pies. There are so many better yum options and fun things to make to add food variety to your village.

My personal recommendation is to always start and BREAK your yum chain on a high efficiency food, like pies or stew. Since you are eating this food twice, you want it to be a good bite. Don't break it on a rare food or a low efficiency "bad" food. And if you are struggling to reach a high chain, don't eat crappy foods. Just let it break and start over. Be sure to secure staple foods (meat pies, stew, milk), before working on greater food diversity. Once the bakery is well-stocked, roasting extra mutton or cooking extra rabbits can be done in moderation. Excess wheat can be made into bread. Cooking eggs into omelettes is an easy and often over-looked yum option. With a bow/arrow, you can hunt wild geese and with an axe, you can kill domestic geese. Just be careful to avoid over-hunting the ponds or you will lose access to eggs. It is usually fine to kill the geese in the ponds closest to your village, because these ones will eventually go dry due to the high water demands of farming. But do not kill every goose in the swamp. They are needed for arrow making and free eggs. If wild geese are rare, you can use eggs in sheep dung to make some domestic geese, but don't over-do it. Also, try not to crowd the sheep pen with geese. It bothers the shepherd. Move extra (live) geese into boxes for easy storage. When you are ready to slaughter the geese, transport them to a stump using a cart. As a general rule, I do not recommend feeding domestic geese. Wild eggs are free and easy. Corn has much better uses.

In an advanced town with plenty of iron, you might consider small scale potato farming or making saurkraut from cabbage or planting mango trees for future generations. Harvesting potatoes costs a lot of shovel uses, so avoid this crop in early villages. You can't afford the high tool cost. Processing cabbage into saurkraut is also iron-expensive, but it is a one-time investment to make the tools. If your village does not have a knife yet, it isn't ready to invest iron into making saurkraut. Don't even bother. Lastly, mangos are very water-heavy and require a huge time investment to produce a tiny crop. But if you plant a couple of trees, someone might make a slightly longer yum chain someday. Again, not a great idea for a small village, but if you are running out of better options, you could do it in a bigger town.

Burritos and tacos are another yum option. It would be better to make stew, instead of bean burritos or bean tacos. But if your town is good on stew (or lacks squash), then burritos are easy to make, even in an early village, if you know the secrets of the wheat tortilla. Tacos are harder and more annoying to make, because corn dough requires a lot of work. Again, you should have made stew or even better, pies. There is also a pretty steep water cost, because of the slack lime. Regardless, pork tacos are the only current food option that uses pork. So if your village is drowning in pork meat, you can do a public service by making some tacos (or just dump the pork in a tundra/desert).

Last edited by DestinyCall (2019-02-27 03:14:38)

pein · 2019-02-26 21:52:35

yumofiles are selfish noobs
generally there are 10 things you can do to save a vilalge and none of them starts with walk 200 tiles to eat

Spoonwood · 2019-02-26 22:37:46

Booklat1 wrote:

dpnt yum like this, yumming with raw foods has been proven wasteful many times.
carrots, the best raw food, are only worth it at 17 yum, costs considered. use meat pies, milk, stew and berries tp yum. avoid carrots, beans and corn at all costs.

This is very doubtful. Remember, if you have +10 yum, you can't eat until the yum goes down first.

Spoonwood · 2019-02-26 22:40:47

Booklat1 wrote:

its not that powerful, man. you gotta count on other people having high yums for most foods being better than just producing pies and milk.

That's a bit strange to oppose them. All 8 pies, plus the two milks, plus bread, and buttered bread is a fairly good yum chain.

Spoonwood · 2019-02-26 22:55:12

DestinyCall wrote:

And yumming in the prime of your life can be an unnecessary distraction. You could achieve a similar result by keeping a pie in your backpack or apron.

The apron does nothing for temperature. It's no longer a suitable piece of clothing, unless maybe you want to show off your knife for protection. No, you can't achieve the same result by keeping a pie in your backpack once you have +10 yum. (+ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) is well more than any pie.

DestinyCall wrote:

The extra time to find increasingly rare food tends to eat up any time savings from needing to eat less frequently as an adult.

That depends. Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to say, and it will differ depending on one's temperature.

DestinyCall wrote:

A few corrections - wild carrots are counted as identical to domestic carrots.

For the purposes of yum, no they are not.

DestinyCall wrote:

Lastly, eating fresh corn or domestic carrots is not a good idea. If you want to eat corn, let it dry, put the cob into a bowl and roast over a fire.

Eating corn makes for a good idea. It's just not as good as most other foods.

DestinyCall wrote:

Popcorn is a nice snack and lets up to four people benefit from yum. Likewise, you should be careful to avoid cooking too many rabbits. They are needed for making meat pies.

Nope. Rabbit pies are overdone. Some rabbits should get cooked. The dough usually used to make some of the rabbit pies could go to berry pies, berry carrot pies, berry rabbit pies, or berry carrot rabbit pies. Really, the simplest way to cut down on "berry-munching" (people who only or mostly eat domestic berries... wild berries can be a bit different), lies in making more pies out of those berries. And settlements would have more yum that way also.

DestinyCall wrote:

And if you are going to do it, always cook the rabbit BEFORE you cook the eggs. That saves making two different fires. Bonus points if also roast a goose and make a plate of burritos at the same time.

That makes sense.

DestinyCall wrote:

Turkey and milk are great, but "Holy Trinity Pie" is bad food. It does not cover the cost of its own ingredients. Please don't teach new players to bake berry pies.

Please do teach new players to make berry pies. It will diverse the diets of everyone, and likely reduce the number of players who mostly or only eat berries. Also, here's the thing. All of the pies can get made fairly early. Most other sources of yum, such as milk, take more time to get up and running than the diversity of pies.

DestinyCall wrote:

My personal recommendation is to always start and BREAK your yum chain on a high efficiency food, like pies or stew.

No. Children should eat low pip foods like popcorn, green beans, berries, and shucked corn early on.

Finally, there are no "crappy" foods. Every food contributes to a player's pip bar. Every food eaten helps to prevent starvation.

DestinyCall · 2019-02-26 22:55:45

Spoonwood wrote:

Booklat1 wrote:
its not that powerful, man. you gotta count on other people having high yums for most foods being better than just producing pies and milk.
That's a bit strange to oppose them. All 8 pies, plus the two milks, plus bread, and buttered bread is a fairly good yum chain.

I find it pretty depressing that you still don't see a problem with making all 8 pie types. They are not at all equal, even with yum bonuses.

Please yum responsibly.

Spoonwood wrote:

No, you can't achieve the same result by keeping a pie in your backpack once you have +10 yum. (+ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) is well more than any pie.

Nope, that is actually a little less than the pips contained in a whole rabbit pie. 55 pips vs 56 pip (14x4). So yes, you can achieve the exact same result by packing an extra pie. Yum bonus gets steadily better as you chain higher, but it also gets progressively harder to maintain. Pies are easy and readily available. Keeping a pie in your backpack and replacing it when it gets low requires significantly less effort than keeping a +10 yum chain from breaking.

Spoonwood wrote:

Finally, there are no "crappy" foods. Every food contributes to a player's pip bar. Every food eaten helps to prevent starvation.

This is your main problem, I think. There ARE crappy foods. All food is not equally good for a variety of reasons. Some food is easy to mass-produce at a low cost. Other food is easy to transport or takes up less space. If two different food options can be made from the same ingredients or two different food crops can be grown in the same deep row, one of those foods might be a lot better than the other one.

Green beans are BAD. Shucked corn is BAD. Mangoes are a waste of time. Do not eat these if you have other options. Yum bonus does not always make a bad food "good". It just makes it "less bad".

Last edited by DestinyCall (2019-02-27 08:37:01)

Spoonwood · 2019-02-26 22:56:31

Make popcorn and green beans. Potatoes also work well for yum, though you'll want to consider the cost of shovel uses when thinking about potatoes. Sauerkraut makes for another good source of yum.

DestinyCall · 2019-02-26 23:13:34

Spoonwood wrote:

DestinyCall wrote:
My personal recommendation is to always start and BREAK your yum chain on a high efficiency food, like pies or stew.
No. Children should eat low pip foods like popcorn, green beans, berries, and shucked corn early on.

So you are going to save pips by wasting them? That makes no sense.

I've explained the math on fresh corn and green beans to you before. I'm not going to waste my breath trying again. Suffice it to say, you waste a lot LESS food by making stew and feeding it to your children than by making a bowl of green beans and feeding fresh corn and popcorn.

It might seem counter-intuitive, but that is the amazing thing about processed foods, like stew and meat pies. They are really GOOD food.

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Booklat1 · 2019-02-26 23:47:52

let go spoon, if you cant see why 24 food for x is worse than 560 also for x you shouldnt be discussing food value.

thats what you trade if you go beans intead of milk, and you insist its a good trade. destiny is right, its depressing.

Booklat1 · 2019-02-26 23:54:55

lets make this clear, resource wise and comparing with only eating mutton pies you get carrots being worth it at only 17 yum and assuming all five in a plant are eaten as such. green beans and corn are worse. popcorn is good at 4 but needs 12 people yumming.

yumming bad foods is selfish and no one should do it

Booklat1 · 2019-02-27 00:02:05

Spoonwood wrote:

No, you can't achieve the same result by keeping a pie in your backpack once you have +10 yum. (+ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) is well more than any pie.

thats 56 and berry carrot rabbit pie gives total 76.

You'll keep saying bullshit if you never bother to check

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CrazyEddie · 2019-02-27 00:33:18

Booklat1 wrote:

yumming bad foods is selfish and no one should do it

Everyone should do it!

Yum is a toy, and everyone should play with the toys. That's what they're here for.

Just make sure the village is stable and food-secure first.

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