Drawing the line

Glassius · 2018-06-10 22:36:11

Luis de Funes is trash
This plant is trash
Donald the Duck is trash
Charlie Chaplin is trash

Nazis killed 5,5 million of citizens of my fatherland, from them 2,5 were not jewish. Still, nazis are the aim of many, many jokes in my country. Tell us, we are trash.

Just confirm: you did not know about joking and felt personally abused by others play.

TrustyWay · 2018-06-10 22:37:52

Trick wrote:

TrustyWay wrote:
Politicaly correctness is fascism disguise in fake manner.
It was kinda nazi what you did, killing people you don't like. I was hitler and I choose my name when she asked me what would it be. I was sure you wanted to stab someone when you came so I ditch on my innocent mother that just name me a stupid name for the fun. You stab her without trying to talk, then me trying to talk to you.
You just acted like a child killing everyone that hadn't your joke taste and complaining on forum about it.
You don't know me, you don't know if my family had problems with nazi, you don't know if I am jewish or not. I live in places where they came and destroyed lands. I am sure I am well more concerned by this issue than you.
Just leave people alone instead of killing everyone that wasn't as narrow minded as you.
The Holocaust isn't/wasn't a joke, and it never will be.

Don't dodge what I wrote.

I'm jew, does it matter ? No but you You killed a dude because he cannot laugh about his history. But even if I weren't jew do you even know what is second degree ? Do you live in a place where everything is serious ? Because if you do you live in a shit place.

Don't make your shit place rules ours, thanks

Glassius wrote:

Luis de Funes is trash
This plant is trash
Donald the Duck is trash
Charlie Chaplin is trash
Nazis killed 5,5 million of citizens of my fatherland, from them 2,5 were not jewish. Still, nazis are the aim of many, many jokes in my country. Tell us, we are trash.
Just confirm: you did not know about joking and felt personally abused by others play.

Too serious to laugh

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Glassius · 2018-06-10 22:40:55

I did not notice this one. Yet, it requires answer

Trick wrote:

The Holocaust isn't/wasn't a joke, and it never will be.

It is used in jokes. Especially in one of the greatest comedy movies ever, La vita è bella

TrustyWay · 2018-06-10 22:45:02

Trick wrote:

You literally admitted to being racist, and now you're upset about "insults and moral bullying"?
The fucking irony. I just... can't.

A racist isn't somebody disagreeing with you...

You may be racist, tricks, for being hostile to foreigners point of views

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forestglade · 2018-06-10 22:46:11

The racism is disturbing. Way more then Griefers. At least Griefers keep civs from climbing up the tech tree before Jason can code new ones. So that's probabaly why keeps them around. Not sure why he tolerates people killing other people for the color of their skin and using the N word.

Trick · 2018-06-10 22:47:46

TrustyWay wrote:

Trick wrote:

You literally admitted to being racist, and now you're upset about "insults and moral bullying"?
The fucking irony. I just... can't.
A racist isn't somebody disagreeing with you...

You're right, it's not.

Actually identifying yourself as a racist would make you a racist, though, wouldn't it?

YAHG wrote:

Why can't it be a way that allows us racist people to play too. Why is it your game and not mine?

Trick · 2018-06-10 22:49:12

forestglade wrote:

The racism is disturbing. Way more then Griefers. At least Griefers keep civs from climbing up the tech tree before Jason can code new ones. So that's probabaly why keeps them around. Not sure why he tolerates people killing other people for the color of their skin and using the N word.

Thank god... I was beginning to feel like this entire community was comprised of racists, or racist-empathizers.

Glassius · 2018-06-10 22:52:38

forestglade wrote:

The racism is disturbing. Way more then Griefers. At least Griefers keep civs from climbing up the tech tree before Jason can code new ones. So that's probabaly why keeps them around. Not sure why he tolerates people killing other people for the color of their skin and using the N word.

If you protect somebody from evil, the protected is not a free person. Just say, you want Jason to control what players say. Is rasism offensive to you? For some people religion is. Should Jason ban from this forum all people praying to Stew God, Berry God and Spider Godness? For some people offensive is seeing dead people. Should he censor corpses? Or make kids not killable, like in Bethesda games? For some people being naked is offensive and public breastfeeding. Should he remove it from the game? Where should he stop?

This is what biggotry really means

Trick wrote:

Thank god... I was beginning to feel like this entire community was comprised of racists, or racist-empathizers.

If somebody disagree with me in this matter, he is racist! Like this protector of the city who shot u with arrow. Of course he was racist. It was not you, who was ruining game of all the other players more than Hitler family.

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TrustyWay · 2018-06-10 22:56:07

You're just dodging conversation, I guess you just can't accept you were wrong

Trick · 2018-06-10 23:00:20

Glassius wrote:

forestglade wrote:
The racism is disturbing. Way more then Griefers. At least Griefers keep civs from climbing up the tech tree before Jason can code new ones. So that's probabaly why keeps them around. Not sure why he tolerates people killing other people for the color of their skin and using the N word.
If you protect somebody from evil, the protected is not a free person. Just say, you want Jason to control what players say. Is rasism offensive to you? For some people religion is. Should Jason ban from this forum all people praying to Stew God, Berry God and Spider Godness? For some people offensive is seeing dead people. Should he censor corpses? Or make kids not killable, like in Bethesda games? For some people being naked is offensive and public breastfeeding. Should he remove it from the game? Where should he stop?
This is what biggotry really means
Trick wrote:
Thank god... I was beginning to feel like this entire community was comprised of racists, or racist-empathizers.
If somebody disagree with me in this matter, he is racist! Like this protector of the city who shot u with arrow. Of course he was racist. It was not you, who was ruining game of all the other players more than Hitler family.

Those are false equivalencies. Racism/bigotry/etc. is about hate. It's about violence and ill-will toward others.

Religion, nudity, and death are not inherently about hatred (though, they can be accompanied with hatred). Fundamentally, however, they are not rooted in hatred, anger, or malice toward others.

That's a huge difference. If you're actually a Jew, as you claim, I find it amazing that you would even compare these things. To say that you think a person offended by nudity is morally equivalent to a person being offended by someone murdering Jews because they are Jews... that's literally unbelievable to me.

TrustyWay · 2018-06-10 23:10:09

Well you are the only one triggered and that has nothing to do with hitler at all, your family has never been killed by nazi. That is the most unbelivable thing here.

I should be the one dictating if hitler is funny or not, not you.

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YAHG · 2018-06-10 23:10:10

Meh, I am not ashamed of being a racist.

You can go look up stats on race and IQ, race and crime, race and intact families..

When it comes to races and people it is like light. When it is a group of people it is like light when it is unobserved, it is a potentiality and unset.
The black guy on the street at night is more likely to rob you than the white guy. You can be upset if you want but it is still true.
A large enough group of Mexican Americans will have a lower average IQ than the same sized group of Asian Americans.

The light when unobserved is just potential, but potential expressed in large numbers is determinate. When expressed as a single observed photon it is not.
The one person of any race etc. can be anything and is not bound but 100 million of them will be effected by their potentials.

Now before you meet someone they are (from your view) still a potential person. Given that someone of quality X (known) is more likely to posses
quality Y (unknown) which can be shown to be true from data by the way.. it is therefore not unreasonable to be more prepared for Y than if there was no X.

I expect people from different races to be different in qualities that are more common among different races. I expect any random black person to
be more aggressive and stupider, I expect a random Asian person to be smarter, I expect a random Mexican to have more children, I expect a random
White person to be more browbeaten and more concerned with not offending people.

If all of these propensities are accurate (and they sure as hell seem to be from all of my experience) then why would it be incorrect to act accordingly?

I allow the wavefront of a persons potential to collapse into what they actually are while at the same time expecting them to be what they probably will be.

Lotus · 2018-06-10 23:10:47

I don’t blame OP, but I think this thread should get shut down.

It’s just too much argument and hate. Someone’s feelings are going to get hurt. Others are going to get offended. Things like these shouldn’t belong in a friendly forum for a game regarding community and relationships.

Once again, I don’t blame OP for this. Nor anybody else whom is speaking their views. In fact, I respect all of your bravery for posting your opinions. I just believe one of the moderators should possibly prevent this thread from further being posted on. It’s gotten pretty bad.

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TrustyWay · 2018-06-10 23:17:44

Lotus wrote:

I don’t blame OP, but I think this thread should get shut down.
It’s just too much argument and hate. Someone’s feelings are going to get hurt. Others are going to get offended. Things like these shouldn’t belong in a friendly forum for a game regarding community and relationships.
Once again, I don’t blame OP for this. Nor anybody else whom is speaking their views. In fact, I respect all of your bravery for posting your opinions. I just believe one of the moderators should possibly prevent this thread from further being posted on. It’s gotten pretty bad.

Acctualy it was a really funny moment, I was about to make this thread anyway. I send a fascist blinded by hate kill my mom for my joke. I died try to sense the mad man.

3 of my friends drinking with me were really interested by the game after that x)

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Glassius · 2018-06-10 23:19:37

Trick wrote:

Those are false equivalencies. Racism/bigotry/etc. is about hate. It's about violence and ill-will toward others.

So, Jason should remove murders from the game?

Trick wrote:

That's a huge difference. If you're actually a Jew, as you claim, I find it amazing that you would even compare these things.

You did it again. You took a false point of view basing on your own prejudices:
- Hilter family was making jokes from nazis, not propagating them
- I am not jew and I did not tell it anywhere

Trick wrote:

To say that you think a person offended by nudity is morally equivalent to a person being offended by someone murdering Jews because they are Jews... that's literally unbelievable to me.

And another false prejudice. I am not saying nudity is worse than killing (Yet, there are people more offended by nudity than by Holocaust. I watched a movies with bodies from death camps with ONLY genitalias censored). I am telling, you want Jason to change this brutal game into some kind of kids playground in order, to not offense people. How far should he censor this game? Stopping at words: Stalin, Hitler and nigger/nigga is enough? What about dindu nuffin and porch monkey? What about sexuality: maybe penis, sperm and vagina? Maybe Alotta Vagina?
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YAHG · 2018-06-10 23:21:31

TrustyWay wrote:

Lotus wrote:
I don’t blame OP, but I think this thread should get shut down.
It’s just too much argument and hate. Someone’s feelings are going to get hurt. Others are going to get offended. Things like these shouldn’t belong in a friendly forum for a game regarding community and relationships.
Once again, I don’t blame OP for this. Nor anybody else whom is speaking their views. In fact, I respect all of your bravery for posting your opinions. I just believe one of the moderators should possibly prevent this thread from further being posted on. It’s gotten pretty bad.

Acctualy it was a really funny moment, I was about to make this thread anyway. I send a fascist blinded by hate kill my mom for my joke. I died try to sense the mad man.
3 of my friends drinking with me were really interested by the game after that x)

God I love these threads.

Trick · 2018-06-10 23:21:57

TrustyWay wrote:

Well you are the only one triggered and that has nothing to do with hitler at all, your family has never been killed by nazi. That is the most unbelivable thing here.
I should be the one dictating if hitler is funny or not, not you.

You literally know nothing about me, so don't make claims about what has or hasn't happened to my family, or what I can or cannot dictate what is/isn't funny to me.

And if you aren't 'triggered' by the Holocaust, then I question if you really actually understand what it was about (either that, or I question your humanity).

Trick · 2018-06-10 23:30:15

Before people started defending their trash positions in life, my intended goal was to encourage the community to partake in vigilante justice in-game, and show bigots that their trash isn't wanted by not letting them play.

If I have a baby that makes any indication they are a bigot, I will let them starve. If you say racist/bigoted shit, I will find an arrow or knife and kill you. I'm not going to turn a blind-eye to garbage people being garbage, and I hope the other people who play this game and are not trash will join me.

TrustyWay · 2018-06-10 23:30:26

Trick wrote:

TrustyWay wrote:
Well you are the only one triggered and that has nothing to do with hitler at all, your family has never been killed by nazi. That is the most unbelivable thing here.
I should be the one dictating if hitler is funny or not, not you.

You literally know nothing about me, so don't make claims about what has or hasn't happened to my family, or what I can or cannot dictate what is/isn't funny to me.
And if you aren't 'triggered' by the Holocaust, then I question if you really actually understand what it was about (either that, or I question your humanity).

You literally know nothing about me, so don't make claims about what has or hasn't happened to my family, or what I can or cannot dictate what is/isn't funny to me.

Did I joke about holocaust or just took a name ? Did I say kill all the jew or was I mocking hitler ? You don't even know because you just killed without letting me talk. You just made up yourself that I was racist, you can t prove I was.

Do you really think you can dictate things when you don't even know what is going on ? You can't but you did it and try to find excuse when you have not. You killed a inoccent woman for no reason and turned in into an holocaust thing. That is yourself that push this situation that far.

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YAHG · 2018-06-10 23:30:31

TrustyWay wrote:

I should be the one dictating if hitler is funny or not, not you.

I don't see why people think they can even decide what is funny for other people, it isn't true.

People have tried to make people not laugh at things for hundreds of years, other than when they can make the target afraid or ashamed instead I don't think there has been much success.

I mean I am laughing right now

Glassius · 2018-06-10 23:32:29

YAHG wrote:

Meh, I am not ashamed of being a racist.
You can go look up stats on race and IQ, race and crime, race and intact families.

This is ignorance Minorities are inferior not because of biology, but because of social situation. The proof: Flynn effect is two times stronger in black society in the USA, than in white.

From biologic point of view, there are only 2 human races: pygmies, and all the others together.

Lotus wrote:

Once again, I don’t blame OP for this. Nor anybody else whom is speaking their views. In fact, I respect all of your bravery for posting your opinions.

YAHG wrote:

God I love these threads.

Mee too

Trick wrote:

And if you aren't 'triggered' by the Holocaust, then I question if you really actually understand what it was about

About many things, but today mostly about biggotry. Holocaust card is played always, when censorship is proposed

forestglade · 2018-06-10 23:54:38

Yep, I am for censorship of hate speech. In real life, and in game.

Don't worry, Trick, most people are actually good. It's just that racists are louder.

YAHG · 2018-06-10 23:56:13

Glassius wrote:

YAHG wrote:
Meh, I am not ashamed of being a racist.
You can go look up stats on race and IQ, race and crime, race and intact families.
This is ignorance Minorities are inferior not because of biology, but because of social situation. The proof: Flynn effect is two times stronger in black society in the USA, than in white.

I would have to see more, it still wouldn't explain blacks having more musculature or why the Asians are
smarter and commit less crime than the whites given they came from countries that were poorer than the
blacks were in the USA at the time (they came) and faced similar discrimination laws regarding property ownership.

None of the races are inferior, that as an idea doesn't REALLY make any sense. They are just different, if you
have genetic isolation (not perfect but still enough) to allow for obvious divergent evolution it would be just
weird to assume that all these other traits would have different distributions but intelligence would not..

Even IF intelligence is because of poverty that wouldn't explain crime rates, or illegitimacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota … tion_Study

I am having more trouble finding crime data by both race and income together, mostly I am finding victimization
data which makes sense. You don't expect your mugger to fill out a survey ..

Then again there is ALWAYS gonna be a study this way or that way, and at the end of the day you gotta choose
what input you trust and what you don't trust. It isn't reasonable to expect to be able to reach absolute truth/reality.

If the truth is racist and I value the truth then I gotta be a racist, it'll be ok . I don't think it is good strategy to
try to push back the definition of a negative label so you don't have to fall under it, then it becomes more about
what people think of you than just being what you are and letting them go fuck themselves, as it were.

Trick · 2018-06-11 00:03:46

forestglade wrote:

Yep, I am for censorship of hate speech. In real life, and in game.
Don't worry, Trick, most people are actually good. It's just that racists are louder.

<3

YAHG · 2018-06-11 00:23:03

Trick wrote:

YAHG wrote:
Or you could leave your trash and baggage out of the forum?
Or it can just go on and on in circles about who is the idiot and who is the good guy.
Or you could not answer any of my questions and act like I am just ill intentioned.
It is just disappointing from my end.
This whole game is just speech, it is just lights on your screen and sounds from your speakers. The forum is the same.
You wanna kill the guy in the game, no problem.
Then again what is the point, you don't actually seem to want to talk with me.
You seem only interested in telling me I am bad and should just go away.
On my side of the screen I am getting all emotional and flustered. Is it the same for anyone else on their side of the monitor?
I don't want to be afraid to talk to try to avoid bans and stuff. I am listening to the 'other' side and even try to help them get what they want without imposing on me.
Why instead of listening does it have to be insults and moral bullying?

You literally admitted to being racist, and now you're upset about "insults and moral bullying"?
The fucking irony. I just... can't.

..answer any questions at all

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