Disappointment and Heartache in a Griefer's Paradise

Candyann · 2019-02-12 21:15:36

I have 182 hours on file with this game.

There is an extraordinary issue with griefers, anyone not willing to admit this is in denial.

This morning I was born into a tribe that killed me with a bow and arrow upon being born. The first time i was born into the tribe, I saw dying adults, the the 2nd and 3rd time it was just me. It appeared to be twins running this operation, the auntie would pick me up and throw me in front of my mother who would shoot me. I could not /die from this tribe for a lineage ban, thus having to repeat the scenario 3x over before moving on as a twin.

I then twined with a friend as Eve. We found a great location and built camp. Things were thriving, I was excited. I was going out for an appointment and planning to come back to be born into my tribe again. 10 minutes after I left my friend notified me that a snowball griefer took out our camp completely.

I then went to the discord channel where my twin and I posted about the happenings only to be trolled by another person and told it was my fault that my camp died because I did not build a snowman to take up the single snow pile that existed. After a few exchanges I was banned from the channel. I did call the user a few choice names, but I have seen worse said on that channel. I am also suspect I was banned because that mod was a female and I am a female, which is another level of bullcrap I don't even want to get into or waste my breathe on further.

Yesterday we also built a camp that was wiped out by snowball griefers.

I convinced my friend who currently plays OHOL with me into buying this game and I have been trying to lure other steam friends into playing, but now I have notified them to hold off buying the game as it is an exercise in disappointment and frustration (unless the developer makes some changes).

Unlike other things that players can kill you with, snowballs have no cool down time when you murder someone, the murder can run away faster than you can run after being hit with a snowball, thus skirting being cursed. There needs to be a cool down time, snowballs should be dialed back.
The curse system needs improvement. /curse should be an option so you may curse at any age. Donkey town requirements need to be lowered.

Likely the troll in Discord was the snowball murder himself. Anyone willing to support the murdering issues in this game are likely griefers themselves trolling the developer and his support staff.

What does Jason want with this game? Does he want to grow it and expand the player base? Or is he more interested in his full time job and just scrapping the game by with a small user base to keep life simple?

Another issue I have is when I bought the game on steam I was sold a much different picture than what I got. If the game is in BETA, it should be labeled as BETA! I was expecting a fully playable game, but what I got is lag, bugs, flaws and interrupted game playing so I can help the developer test his own game. No where did I see a PVP in the tags.

And if you're thinking of giving me the old rise above speech, save your breath, I have risen in real life over adversities most people will never have to face and accomplished success. I know how to rise above and push through, but I also know when to fold a bad hand.

Choosing to ignore these issues and blame the user is a slap in the face to those that play and support this game.

I really hope things change, because I love this game, but I am extremely disappointed with the moderator I ran into and the lack of acknowledgement or care about this issue.

Last edited by Candyann (2019-02-12 21:16:07)

CrazyEddie · 2019-02-12 21:21:13

Not to diminish any of your other points in the least, but for the record, OHOL is Jason's full-time job.

Oblong · 2019-02-12 21:32:26

TL;DR: Snowballs and the Curse System need to be fixed.

Bob 101 · 2019-02-12 21:34:50

This is all because mothers are always keeping bad babies and twins.

The less babies fed, The more chance of town surviving.

Candyann · 2019-02-12 21:41:47

CrazyEddie wrote:

Not to diminish any of your other points in the least, but for the record, OHOL is Jason's full-time job.

My bad, a few months ago another user in discord stated that Jason had a full time job working for someone else.

MultiLife · 2019-02-12 21:42:41

Candyann wrote:

This morning I was born into a tribe that killed me with a bow and arrow upon being born. The first time i was born into the tribe, I saw dying adults, the the 2nd and 3rd time it was just me. It appeared to be twins running this operation, the auntie would pick me up and throw me in front of my mother who would shoot me. I could not /die from this tribe for a lineage ban, thus having to repeat the scenario 3x over before moving on as a twin.

Hopefully the twin lineage ban is implemented soon.

Candyann wrote:

10 minutes after I left my friend notified me that a snowball griefer took out our camp completely.

I have heard people say they will exploit and grief with things until they grab Jason's attention. Childish action, yes, but they say that. When there is a murder exploit in the game, people will catch on, and then it spreads like wildfire. The only good thing about this wildfire is that Jason will hear about it. It's just sometimes painfully slow with the fixing. Last time we had note arrows and butter knives, and I noped the heck away from the game until they got fixed.
Right now I'm being super passive with OHOL because snowballs are still in (and apocalypse) - I don't want to put myself in there, I'm better off doing other things.

Candyann wrote:

I am also suspect I was banned because that mod was a female and I am a female, which is another level of bullcrap I don't even want to get into or waste my breathe on further.

I can only wonder what kind of magic a vajayjay possesses here.

Candyann wrote:

The curse system needs improvement. /curse should be an option so you may curse at any age. Donkey town requirements need to be lowered.

Sure, systems need balancing and fixing. And again, Jason is sometimes terribly slow when it comes down to taking action. He likes to think it through I guess.

Candyann wrote:

What does Jason want with this game?

What I've learned about him is that he enjoys drama. He thinks it's spicy when people have conflicts, get frustrated with each other and cause issues to each other. With this I am referencing to his defense over cursed babies and moms fighting to raise them - was not fun or cool in-game. It was terrible. He also wants us to deal with a lot of things, such as guarding and such, which sucks, as I hate being a babysitter-- I mean a guard to others.

Candyann wrote:

Another issue I have is when I bought the game on steam I was sold a much different picture than what I got. If the game is in BETA, it should be labeled as BETA! I was expecting a fully playable game, but what I got is lag, bugs, flaws and interrupted game playing so I can help the developer test his own game. No where did I see a PVP in the tags.

It's online, it has blood, it has knives, it has people. Sure, it doesn't tell you much about the community as the advertisements are about the GAME itself, not its people. This can happen with any online game. Say, you buy Overwatch, looks cool and fun - but wait, all the fun is drained because the game is filled with trolls who use exploits and imbalances to steamroll everyone. Sure, that should be fixed, but it's not like the game can explain that to you when you visit its store page. No PvP tag as this game is not PvP and killing was implemented so players can get rid of griefers who ruin resources and projects - would suck to watch a griefer break all your tools and kilns and you just have to watch it happen. Killing has to be there, and some people will try to use it all the time for their own entertainment; continuous PvP.
And sure this game is constantly updated and worked on, but there was some explanation which made OHOL a fully released game. It just gets content added and sadly Jason has no testers... So it's the whole community enjoying the quirks of updates. Which is bad, yes. Sometimes there are things you can't even cover with extensive background research, but hey, at least Jason is active.

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Solbusaur · 2019-02-12 21:44:58

Bob 101 wrote:

This is all because mothers are always keeping bad babies and twins.
The less babies fed, The more chance of town surviving.

I made a graph to show you that this doesn't always work. Hope this helps
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Bob 101 · 2019-02-12 21:46:32

Then harden your towns defenses. Let multiples die, Abort sus babies, Never trust children and kill them if something dosnt smell right.

Candyann · 2019-02-12 21:49:15

Games like Overwatch have ban systems, I know exactly what it is like, I have played Overwatch and many other games.

CrazyEddie · 2019-02-12 21:51:52

Ignore Bob.

MultiLife · 2019-02-12 21:52:55

Candyann wrote:

Games like Overwatch have ban systems, I know exactly what it is like, I have played Overwatch and many other games.

Great, but don't get stuck on that sentence. And this game does have Donkey Town - which wasn't there for a long time. Jason as one guy doesn't want to use his 'power' to shut off people from his game, so we can only ask that he makes the systems as good as possible. If the pace is too slow for you, then *shrug*. I'd advise to chill until a tweak/fix goes through.

fragilityh14 · 2019-02-12 22:44:36

it really seems like the snowballs can just be removed completely, it's absurd way to be able to kill someone, and only causes problems.

Tea · 2019-02-12 23:29:21

How about you turn blue when you get hit by too many snowballs and you have to sit by the fire to get your temperature back up but if you don't, you'll die to hypothermia after some time ?

If Jason adds some medicine one day, others can give you a root to nurse you back to health faster. Heck you could even eat hot turkey broth to get well ^^

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Bob 101 · 2019-02-12 23:31:03

CrazyEddie wrote:

Ignore Bob.

Enjoy the griefing problem them.

The previous generation is at least partially responsible for letting bad people live. Twin griefs is easily preventable by letting multiples starve.

Beyond letting the obvious bads die you can also kill off sus children. No child or young adult should be trusted.

Without changing how the game is, What's your solution?

Work with what we have now instead of whining for curse buff or nerfs.

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Halfkoreangamer · 2019-02-13 00:20:05

Hi, I was the "troll" you talked to on discord.
But please, I was not the snowball murderer.
I am truly sorry I offended you so badly with my advice to block off the snow pile.

I too used to get really mad playing this game when people would do things I didn't want them to do.

I feel that people need to take everything a little less seriously. For your own sanity, your personal and emotional investment in the game should only be one hour at a time, with no promise that what you build today will still be there tomorrow (or even in five minutes from now). Your kids have no obligation to desire the same goals that you have. Everyone has their own life to live.

Griefing is, to some degree, implemented by design in this game. Its evident in every mechanic the game has.
Snowball, Mining Pick, Knife, Adze, Bow and Arrow... you name it it can be used for good or bad.

In towns once the starvation pressures have been solved the only remaining element to bring us down is each other. To counter this there are methods available to either control the weapon supply or simply block off snow piles in this case. Selective population control has been discussed in this thread. Consider though, if we only progress forward we would stagnate in end of tech-tree towns and soon become bored with the pace of new content. This is because the players play through in hours what Jason makes in weeks. No shot at Jason he is a one man team.

Remember that the towns that do get built are spectacular. And frankly its incredible that anything gets built at all considering how easy it is to do evil.

Death by snowball has a specific cause of death leading me to believe that this likely is one of the intended usages for snowballs. They can be useful for disarming griefers and cooling down people. I agree there should at be a murderer flag associated with throwing them because of the developing snowball griefing meta. Snow piles should probably also deplete when repeatedly used.

Disclaimer: I am not defending griefing, I just understand it exists and I pass no judgement on the "good" or "evil"

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DestinyCall · 2019-02-13 00:47:29

Bob 101 wrote:

This is all because mothers are always keeping bad babies and twins.
The less babies fed, The more chance of town surviving.

Feed no babies ... live forever!

ruanna · 2019-02-13 07:53:26

The OP was upset at their town being destroyed - this is a perfectly normal and understandable response to griefing. To those of us who have been playing for a while you are already used to it but for a new player this is upsetting and people stop playing because of these griefers. Another big issue I see is that the OP was banned from discord - why? I saw the exchange and they said nothing worth banning.

Again, for a game that is supposed to be about cooperation and building a town together, it is normal to get upset when someone comes and destroys your work.

Spoonwood · 2019-02-13 08:12:36

When I've done Eve runs, even before the bigserver updates, I've generally just kept on running if I see a snowbank for the reasons you've mentioned.

Also, I don't know if you know, but there exist several other public servers than the bigserver (and some others which are private) which you can find a list of here with their activity: http://onehouronelife.com/reflector/ser … ion=report. To run that go to 'settings'. Then check on 'custom server', then the address is something like 'server[number].onehouronelife.com' such as 'server12.onehouronelife.com'. As long as the population remains low, you can probably Eve chain on those servers more easily, or you can more easily prevent griefing. I mean, if you're the only woman around, it comes as a fairly simple matter to never pick any children up, or only pick a child up when you know the person, or feel like taking more of a risk with someone. Or you might more easily carry your own knife... hopefully to slice bread and rubber trees (and the like) mostly... but you never know.

pein · 2019-02-13 16:43:32

griefing: he doesnt do what i say
griefer: higher skilled player who doesnt agree with me
the problem: people dont let to do me what i want and they dont let me kill them
they even have problem with spending my life to convince others to curse them
solution: 1 curse to send to donkey town forever, cause it hurt my feelings
i became expert in 10 hours of play and i know everything, i am pro and never made anyone angry and i never will, and others are evil and do everything by bad intention

with all seriousness, if you build a city on bear camp you will have bear
if you are too close to a snow bank you will get snowballed(although i consider it useful at times) so make sure you are around 50-100 tiles away from one, just enough to starve if someone tries to bring one and doesnt have pack and decent food
you want people to continue your lineage then you need to make a good city and work hard for it
with a low sample size you cannot really say that this game is only bad experience, it will be bad lives, and good lives, and hard to learn so many things and know what is the issue
hard to find people who are serious about living in the city and doing useful things

the cries start, and topics get made to pressure jason into making some bug fixes and noob tutorials and then people are misusing it and complain even more
some people will always try to be a hero and some will always mess around, and when they cant do it with veterans they will murder new starters and babies
in an ideal world, giving more control to people would solve the issue, its not an ideal world and people already using curses for personal opinions, and to enforce others into submission, some dont even play as male, and dont play in small cities, and beg for clothes, and use their kids to kill others or get more 'votes'

i was banned from discord several times, last time because someone cried about killing him and his griefer triplets, its no big deal, i deserved because of the selection of my words, not like i was too mad about it, they wasted resources and time, and created useless drama, and dumb excuses to kill a kid, then curse me for mentioning it, eventually i took down 2 of them and the third quit

Candyann · 2019-02-13 20:39:35

pein wrote:

griefing: he doesnt do what i say
griefer: higher skilled player who doesnt agree with me
the problem: people dont let to do me what i want and they dont let me kill them
they even have problem with spending my life to convince others to curse them
solution: 1 curse to send to donkey town forever, cause it hurt my feelings
i became expert in 10 hours of play and i know everything, i am pro and never made anyone angry and i never will, and others are evil and do everything by bad intention

Seriously, are you trying to troll me? I have almost 200 hours on my main account and more on a secondary.
I didn't ask for 1 curse for donkey town.

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?

Either way, forget it, we likely will not agree on much.

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GreatShawn · 2019-02-14 04:15:46

pein wrote:

i became expert in 10 hours of play and i know everything, i am pro and never made anyone angry and i never will, and others are evil and do everything by bad intention

Unless you are Chinese you aren't that smart to become an expert in 10 hours.

antking:]# · 2019-02-14 05:36:54

one thing is for sure, that things can only get better by the players actions... Jason will have to registered these, problems eventually, and I am sure that over time the game will mold (as it always has) to improve game play for the entire community... however the community also includes griefers, and so does real life, and no matter what you do people will find a way to cheat the system,

yes their are some major issues with the game right now but, we must adapt as the player Basse because one man can only do so much.

I hope thing will improve for the better, and that Jason will address some of the issues, and remember Jason wanted this to be a reflation of reality, and in reality their are crimes, we don't live in perfect world!

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Twisted · 2019-02-14 09:49:02

Candyann wrote:

pein wrote:
griefing: he doesnt do what i say
griefer: higher skilled player who doesnt agree with me
the problem: people dont let to do me what i want and they dont let me kill them
they even have problem with spending my life to convince others to curse them
solution: 1 curse to send to donkey town forever, cause it hurt my feelings
i became expert in 10 hours of play and i know everything, i am pro and never made anyone angry and i never will, and others are evil and do everything by bad intention
Seriously, are you trying to troll me? I have almost 200 hours on my main account and more on a secondary.
I didn't ask for 1 curse for donkey town.
DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?
Either way, forget it, we likely will not agree on much.

Just ignore everything pein says, arguing or discussing things with him is a complete waste of time.

pein · 2019-02-14 17:47:47

Twisted wrote:

Candyann wrote:
pein wrote:
griefing: he doesnt do what i say
griefer: higher skilled player who doesnt agree with me
the problem: people dont let to do me what i want and they dont let me kill them
they even have problem with spending my life to convince others to curse them
solution: 1 curse to send to donkey town forever, cause it hurt my feelings
i became expert in 10 hours of play and i know everything, i am pro and never made anyone angry and i never will, and others are evil and do everything by bad intention
Seriously, are you trying to troll me? I have almost 200 hours on my main account and more on a secondary.
I didn't ask for 1 curse for donkey town.
DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?
Either way, forget it, we likely will not agree on much.

Just ignore everything pein says, arguing or discussing things with him is a complete waste of time.

yes, listen to twisted, he can spend endless hours on creating content in cities he never built, then complaining on same people that would be much better without them

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