When you’re Eve, what do you tend to focus on?

Amon · 2019-04-11 19:51:54

If the patch is super big. To make the least effort but give the most QOL treatment to berry pickers for co/sheep Why not just hollow out a single tile in a 3x3 grid?

Only the top bottom and left right rows are actually used in any given berry patch. The only time middle berries are touched it's by lamenting elders or when the side rows have dried out due berrymonchers.

3x3 is not optimal, it's just a downscaled mess people try to clean up.
Better to have 1/2 x N or N x 1/2 berry farms. Make them as long/tall as you want, just make sure that at any given time they are only ever 2 tiles wide and if multipel rows are stached, that they are spaced out by a singular tile.

Cava · 2019-04-11 20:57:24

I tend to having kids that wont suicide when i need the girls.

and why do boys always stay and the girls always die is this a curse? And boys always spawn way more frequent then girls

puddleofsick · 2019-04-11 22:12:36

After finding an ideal place, I focus on getting seal skin or loin cloths on everyone (cover up those dirty bits). Start the beginnings of a berry farm, thin rows or columns, trying to find a geographic location so that people don't turn it into a full-on 20x20 unmanageable orchard. If I can bring stew ingredients, I will. And I try to get at least an axe and shovel made, but usually manage to get everything but knife/shears made. I try to at least pass on the location of an iron vein. My last 3-4 years are usually planting as much milkweed as possible because that tends to stymie progress when you start needing buckets and carts.

Amon · 2019-04-11 22:12:58

Hey one time I had an all boy Eve run.

Very sad.

Sex ratio should be skeved with more hardship more girls.
less hardship more boys. (also this phenomenon actually happens)

DestinyCall · 2019-04-11 22:25:05

Amon wrote:

If the patch is super big. To make the least effort but give the most QOL treatment to berry pickers for co/sheep Why not just hollow out a single tile in a 3x3 grid?

Removing berries from the middle of the patch is a two-person job. When I fix berries, I am usually working alone, so I start from the outside and work in.

Really big patches are such an eye-sore. Like a big mango grove, but harder to fix.

futurebird · 2019-04-11 23:15:53

This kind of thing is really typical and planting more isn't going to help this issue, the problem in this town was that the compost cycle was disrupted.

pein · 2019-04-12 08:09:52

Spoonwood wrote:

pein wrote:
without tools you cant give jobs
all those lives where noobs cook shit, and need 30-40 min to make an axe
food is not the goal, and all those people who try to keep others alive just make things worse
if people don't contribute they deserve to starve
quantity comes before variety, but food is a resource, and population doesn't mean more work
also there is no proof that variety makes any difference, from what i seen people SID and you hit a bottleneck cause others are area banned
no advantage having 3 girls with 3 girl kids each, even worse
so using resources wisely means that you need to let some people die
clothing isn't needed for pro players, not that it's hard to survive in the wild
butt log shoes are the worst, there is a general distance you can get boards from, if you make 20 shoes, that's 20 less boards, and people will still make dumb flooring to their kitchen before containing farms
things that are useful but not really made early:
cisterns (all those soil piles that would be bad on eve camps but good farm spots when you got a cistern and a bucket)
rubber (an upgraded cart is fun and useful way to move firewood, bones, kindling)
milkweed farm, possibly board floor and a sign so people know they need to plant milkweed there
"Deserve to starve" sums your poor attitude towards newer players or players who disagree with you Pein. The suggestion that variety doesn't make any difference also comes as laughably bad, since yum has benefits for anyone who uses it, and has even more benefits for females up to the age of 40. Players who don't wear clothing also have to eat more, and that's often enough food that does not regenerate. Intentionally going nude comes as a way of having to eat more and having worse temperature. Neither qualify as a good idea.
Butt log shoes are the only shoes that do not decay.
Farms don't need contained. Using round stones to organize farms would also end up faster than boards and require fewer resources.

my attitude depends on their attitude
my overall opinion depends on current level of player base

there is an evolutionary step where you understand why you don't do things for others
there is a point where you understand that others wont help even if you help them
also is a point where you play eve yourself and understand how useless people are
and there is a step where you understand that defending a camp takes sacrifice, and humans arent too valuable

best example was a life where our mom was the only farmer all her life
i ate wild food
picked off some corn and cut it
when we ran out of the berry second time, reminded mom about it
people started working for the first time

most of them died anyway, i don't have to try it or hope it solves itself
i know exactly how much a camp can sustain
you can have an opinion, you can prove me wrong, i don't mind
i wont starve but 90 others will die around me and i will tell the last person "i told you so"

if you don't know your limits then that happens
i could make a huge pen, or i can make a medium and get sheep
i could make a good berry farm or i could take care of pies
possibly i would be better at it than others, but then again, no one would make any progress on tech
i used to farm a lot, and get tons of rabbits, now is others turn

truth is that people arent new, just assholes
most of them are selfish and doesn't care and they got very poor logical understanding of the game
my best eve ru nwas in donkey town, with 2 random players we made fire and a decent size farm and we talked and chill

the general setup is 1-2 decent farmers
tons of newbies who die early
rp sponges who prevent others to do other than farming

a newbee with common sense does what you asking for
i had sons and nephews who had barely a few games, but gathered branches, iron, stones, clay, anything i asked and they enjoyed that things are getting done

i cant force feed everyone, they are alone, they need to learn it how to stay alive
and how to work to sustain themselves
i also had this attitude for a short while that i quit lifes where there is no farm, no city, and then i just do whatever i want
after a bit, i made my first eve run and realized how much work is to keep it together

Dead people cant yum
You will yum when there is no pressure on food
Guess what, the coinflip is making more difference than yum
if your decent kids born as girls, you might have 30 grandkids, but if all of them stupid, then again doesn't worth much.

The map has enough food, and storage is better than clothing. Rushing tech makes getting clothing easier.
Generic play makes camps bad, hige green biome, don't farm milkweed, know your surrounding.
Don't start random stone buildings or fences

i can live alive naked, i generally do, i make myself a pack and give the girls the rest

the order of butt log usage is: fence kit for mine, cart, well upgrade and bucket, door, sign, shoes , fire
the "kitchen" in a random spot surrounded by a wall is totally useless and unoptimal

when there is a choice how to use a plate or a board and choose the wrong one, you deny others the possibility of advancing
pretty much griefing to make early camp stew, pies, wood shoes and a kitchen
cause you could do it later, just help the smith by gathering
make a pen, get a horse or a cart , or multiple carts
then it wont take one player 40 mins, takes 10 min and you got a working city
i can do alone but then at least stay out of the way

people are lazy and soft
some don't even know how to make a packpack but beg, demand, threaten for a backpack
and some give it to their kids for pure rp

making others your servants or makign yourself a servant is boring in the long run
if you got tools before the baby boom, the survival chances are much higher, tools give jobs and distraction

round stones block a tile
and will get used into making more sharp stones and wells
a proper board floor makes compost makes much faster
berries are sheep food and properly contained farms make it clear not to extend it

i can maybe deal with 20 bushes, and complete compost cycle, planting more means "i want to chill and kids will take care of it, we will have more food with more bushes"
actually you require more work to maintain more bushes so free spaces are essential

once i seen someone made signs on what to plant and every plot was full all the time, organization is key

im not talking about playing alone on a server, like nobody else but you

Elsayal · 2019-04-12 11:40:55

Oblong wrote:

Topic name.
When you’re playing as Eve, once you get a kiln, bellows, an axe and a shovel, what do you focus on next?
What is the most optimal thing to do to advance in the tech tree faster?

Maybe to bring enough Iron for the town.

Spoonwood · 2019-04-12 13:50:50

pein wrote:

a proper board floor makes compost makes much faster

Boards do NOT decrease the time for composting compost to complete composting.

Also, often enough the first soil can get brought from a soil pit before compost completes.

People can also usually build more crops on the other sides of the wooden floors. Such flooring does NOT block off expansion. And if you want to expand, growing bushes on the tiles directly adjacent to the boards probably ends up as the optimal thing to do.

Spoonwood · 2019-04-12 13:53:33

futurebird wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/KpbtlLE.jpg
This kind of thing is really typical and planting more isn't going to help this issue, the problem in this town was that the compost cycle was disrupted.

That's 4 soil runs. People might have run soil in less than 4 minutes for that farm. Then again, you would know how close soil pits lied better than I did.

Booklat1 · 2019-04-12 13:54:11

Spoonwood wrote:

pein wrote:
a proper board floor makes compost makes much faster
Boards do NOT decrease the time for composting compost to complete composting.
Also, often enough the first soil can get brought from a soil pit before compost completes.
People can also usually build more crops on the other sides of the wooden floors. Such flooring does NOT block off expansion. And if you want to expand, growing bushes on the tiles directly adjacent to the boards probably ends up as the optimal thing to do.

he didnt say it does, its all about picking berries faster

Booklat1 · 2019-04-12 14:03:48

The thing with boards Spoon is that when you have big farms without spaces you make it harder on people picking berries for compost.
This adds up in poorly mantained, cluttered farms and when composting en masse. So boards prevent people from covering spaces.

Its definitely a micro issue, but one that helps many players over time.

Spoonwood · 2019-04-13 12:12:50

Booklat1 wrote:

The thing with boards Spoon is that when you have big farms without spaces you make it harder on people picking berries for compost.

That's only for people picking bushes which aren't on the edges. And I'm not sure that if a bush is just one bush in, that such ends up slower. I mean if you stand on the edge bush and pick one in, I'm not sure if it's slower, or just a visual effect of you bobbing back and forth.

pein · 2019-04-14 17:10:40

guess what, i cut a line on left side of farm, everyone picked that side, fixed it, and a few more other side
the rest of 30 or so bushes were never even touched for 20 generations when i came back

a bush that is not used, especially if one berry, is a bush you didn't need

someone say that i destroy food in process, no, you cant dig out a bush without picking it off, and likely it would be rotten if you pick all off
or create a lot of work for others
when you dig one out, you only lose the initial invested soil, tiling and one berry
now if you don't use that bush each ten min, it would be likely not worth it's price
meaning it was planted int the wrong post in the first place

people don't know that berry is sheep food, and it's better to eat anything except berry
pie as a kid? still cheaper
14 berries are needed for a sheep feeding and a compost, resulting in 4 pies, which are 4x4 bites of pies
16 bites of pies for 14 berries and 2 carrots and 21 soil from compost
arguably it's 4-5 soil that goes to other plants but in reality is just work
bit of tool usage

people also don't know that berry on floor decays, that doesn't decay in bowls
also don't know that if they eat berry, they should eat from the middle of the field, so others can pick off the edges in bowls
also don't know to pick off each berry and fix the same time
leaving one berry suggests that they don't know it doesn't regenerate, or don't care about fixing it so they leave it functional
but 7 bushes with 1 berry is 1 bush
i often see people are "no food, extend berry"
that's just dumb cause they don't fix the brown bushes, which take 8 min to come back after water and soil, not 12 as planted bush
and they often do this when people actively compost, and rather than using up the meat or the wheat, they plant bushes
and one player who did this, had 70 hours
i feel like 80% of the people don't have 70 hours so you need to protect them from their own stupidity

now lets say you till a whole field, plant berries, you lose 1 iron
digging out some surely is bad on resources, but planting them everywhere is the main problem, and some of us just quits on those places
i generally wont do much compost if they got a huge berry field, or if i do, then im like, fix it peasants, you needed that big field

Booklat1 · 2019-04-14 17:52:04

Spoonwood wrote:

Booklat1 wrote:
The thing with boards Spoon is that when you have big farms without spaces you make it harder on people picking berries for compost.
That's only for people picking bushes which aren't on the edges. And I'm not sure that if a bush is just one bush in, that such ends up slower. I mean if you stand on the edge bush and pick one in, I'm not sure if it's slower, or just a visual effect of you bobbing back and forth.

it IS slower and yes, this it exactly so people dont expand farms thus creating more berries away from the edge. At a few more tiles away its a pain in the ass.

Spoonwood · 2019-04-14 18:42:01

pein wrote:

people don't know that berry is sheep food, and it's better to eat anything except berry
pie as a kid? still cheaper
14 berries are needed for a sheep feeding and a compost, resulting in 4 pies, which are 4x4 bites of pies
16 bites of pies for 14 berries and 2 carrots and 21 soil from compost
arguably it's 4-5 soil that goes to other plants but in reality is just work
bit of tool usage

No accounting for yum. Berry, berry in a bowl, berry pie, berry carrot pie, berry carrot rabbit pie, berry rabbit pie. It's not good to eat super-filling pies as a child. Carrot pie sure, but not like rabbit pie. Save that for later and eat less filling foods as a child and get your yum up.

pein wrote:

people also don't know that berry on floor decays, that doesn't decay in bowls
also don't know that if they eat berry, they should eat from the middle of the field, so others can pick off the edges in bowls
also don't know to pick off each berry and fix the same time
leaving one berry suggests that they don't know it doesn't regenerate, or don't care about fixing it so they leave it functional
but 7 bushes with 1 berry is 1 bush
i often see people are "no food, extend berry"
that's just dumb cause they don't fix the brown bushes, which take 8 min to come back after water and soil, not 12 as planted bush
and they often do this when people actively compost, and rather than using up the meat or the wheat, they plant bushes
and one player who did this, had 70 hours
i feel like 80% of the people don't have 70 hours so you need to protect them from their own stupidity

You have a point about what people know. However, not enough berries and getting bowler hats will end up more difficult. The loom clothing requires even more berries. It's not just about food and compost and some stitching now with the berries. It's also about good clothes, with some hopefully that doesn't decay if tons of rabbits aren't close or you don't get a good rabbit hunter. I've seen that lots of people still don't have a good clothing set. So, when you remove bushes because of the lack of efficiency in picking them, are you replacing them in a better spot? Because as you point out, they take 8 minutes to regrow.

pein wrote:

digging out some surely is bad on resources, but planting them everywhere is the main problem, and some of us just quits on those places
i generally wont do much compost if they got a huge berry field, or if i do, then im like, fix it peasants, you needed that big field

Too many berries, for having 6 different food types, and the potential of a good clothing set, and you'll just quit? Then you want to play in a place with less potential probably, or it's earlier on.

Starknight_One · 2019-04-15 11:31:00

Cava wrote:

I tend to having kids that wont suicide when i need the girls.
and why do boys always stay and the girls always die is this a curse? And boys always spawn way more frequent then girls

Confirmation bias. You just notice it more when the girls /die and boys stay than you do when boys /die and girls stay.

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