Can we just ban people from forum and discord who brag about griefing?

futurebird · 2019-04-24 13:08:58

I have said many time that I don't think that stopping all griefing should be a goal of the structure of the game freedom of choice is important and gives all of our lives more meaning. But I do not understand why we let griefers brag about how annoying they are on here or the discord. The first time should get a warning then a 24 hour ban then a week ban then perma-ban. By doing nothing it acts as a kind of endorsement of griefing. It's an invitation to brag more. Also, I think being able to brag makes griefing more fun. So, lets take a little fun out of it and just ban such threads. I'm really sick of it and don't understand why we put up with it.

InSpace · 2019-04-24 14:20:48

Why is it against the rules to brag about griefing?

Spoonwood · 2019-04-24 14:25:38

No, it's not an endorsement of griefing to let them speak. It's just a support of them having freedom of speech on the forum. Additionally, griefers give away information about their own selves by letting them talk.

JonySky · 2019-04-24 14:40:46

and if ... it just does not open those posts
if he does not open them and read them, they will not offend him or have to endure it ...
opening those posts and reading the content, indicates that you are interested in that type of information ... do not you think?
Freedom is important! for all

Solbusaur · 2019-04-24 14:49:42

Griefers aren't doing anything against the rules, but as far as I've seen, some have drawn moderators' attention when they start baiting in the past.
Just leave griefers alone to their own devices

DestinyCall · 2019-04-24 14:51:01

I strongly agree, futurebird. It is a bad idea to just ignore the problem and pretend it doesn't matter.

When you allow toxic behavior to grow and spread, it becomes a part of the game's culture. I've seen this kind of thing happen with other online gaming communities. If the official forums support griefing and encourage people to post about their "fun" experiences with griefing other players in-game, it gives the impression that this is how the game should be played and it invites more people to play in that way.

I really don't want OHOL to become a minature version of Rust.

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Wuatduhf · 2019-04-24 14:57:19

The moment that you allow for the banning of one type of griefing, you are allowing for the banning of any kinds of griefing.

From there, you are leaving it up to Jason/his moderators to determine "what qualifies as griefing?" What is the definition of "Griefing" that will be used for determining who to ban?

Is me taking a cart from the town to hunt rabbits griefing? Someone else wanted to use it for gathering clay, and I never asked anyone or said I was using it. Now they cannot use it until I return. Have I griefed that person?

Is a person accidentally stabbing someone griefing? Accidents happen, and while it may be their first, their second time, or another number, the player themselves can never truly tell how many times an individual has done that. Do we need to log/record every time someone makes a mistake with lethal tools for them to be banned once they do it enough times?

Is putting kindling on a small fire griefing? Expending resources in an inappropriate way is one way to speed up the decay/decline of a village, is that griefing the town? What if they put logs on a small fire that was going to go to a stew? Is that griefing?

futurebird · 2019-04-24 14:59:08

Spoonwood wrote:

No, it's not an endorsement of griefing to let them speak. It's just a support of them having freedom of speech on the forum. Additionally, griefers give away information about their own selves by letting them talk.

LOL. You'd support a ban for someone who spammed advertisements or who just posted off topic crap. This has nothing to do with free speech. A topical forum has limits we can choose what those are.

Whatever · 2019-04-24 15:15:30

futurebird wrote:

Spoonwood wrote:
No, it's not an endorsement of griefing to let them speak. It's just a support of them having freedom of speech on the forum. Additionally, griefers give away information about their own selves by letting them talk.

LOL. You'd support a ban for someone who spammed advertisements or who just posted off topic crap. This has nothing to do with free speech. A topical forum has limits we can choose what those are.

But talking about griefing is not spamming and also not off topic.
Imagine all news channels would ban stories about people doing bad things.

JonySky · 2019-04-24 15:21:29

all this sounds like "let's play my way or you're out, we eliminate you, we take you out of the game".
we must let the players play as they wish ... we have enough methods to avoid the griefers ... and if someone thinks that we do not have enough methods to counteract the griefers, we propose it so that it can be counteracted ...
and we should let others comment on what they want in the forums, as long as it is not offensive, discriminatory or illegal

every time I see a post of this style (pure censorship), I am more in agreement with the chaos and the griefers ....

that's a game ... and the greifers are part of this game, like it or not
ahhh and generate stories, some very good!

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Dodge · 2019-04-24 15:38:02

It's a sandbox/survival game, you can play it however you want, the only reason we have curses is because right now we dont have enough tools to enforce laws, police, prison etc

And without curses it would be unbalanced in favor of griefers and murderers, but once it's balanced curse system will probably be removed.

At one point we could have real trials and prisons and if a griefer is caught he could spend the rest of his life in prison, villagers force feeding him so he has to stay in town locked behind bars, or hooked to a force feeding device without the ability to move, torture OHOL style

futurebird · 2019-04-24 15:43:28

How would you feel about people posting about a mod that let you cheat in items? Or posting about ways to crash or freeze other people's games? There is always "censorship" and boundries the question is does any of the bragging cross the line?

I guess the question is griefing "sanctioned" play? The curse system would suggest it isn't. And frankly if the game is a griefer's playground I don't feel like being a chump who hangs around to amuse them. I may bounce like I think breezeknight already has.

If the trend of not supporting positive players continues we just won't be around anymore. Some will announce they are going others will just drift away. I don't think a game that is indifferent to anti-social play tactics is a viable as one that discourages them.

I know people who don't play the game because it has a reputation as being filled with griefers.

Ace · 2019-04-24 15:47:02

If anything should be banned is this hate on a minority of the player base that likes this game so much they put effort into their lives to do something, maybe even work together towards a goal. Some people don't like when the map gets too cluttered with camps and want to make an apocalypse. In this case it's actually griefing to stop those people you call "griefers" since what they work for is for the greater good of that time.

Edit: Futurebird you can't just say "I've was murdered 3 times today and all while just doing work without any warning or any conversation. Just someone is walking by with a bow and they shoot me and say ha ha ha" or complain about murder as if that was the biggest problem ever you have in the game in regards to griefers. You do know a civ can veeeery easily craft items for reversing a stab or an arrow wound don't you? If you're unable to protect yourself then make it a habit to make those items if you don't see them readily available in a civ and/or inform people about them.

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hmrka · 2019-04-24 16:21:11

I agree. kids flexing on this forum about killing towns is annoying. funny that this leads to discourse.

I don't care if you grief in game. If you're gonna brag about it here you do deserve to get banned from the forums. Same with the discord. And griefing doesn't make any cool stories, Bragging about griefing is 99% of the time bait in order to get people mad.

CatX · 2019-04-24 16:25:35

Ace wrote:

Some people don't like when the map gets too cluttered with camps and want to make an apocalypse. In this case it's actually griefing to stop those people you call "griefers" since what they work for is for the greater good of that time.

Actually, the map is nearly infinite. You may not like being born into towns, but you always have the option to leave and start a brand new town elsewhere.

I have more respect for a person who says "I invoked an apocalypse because I had fun working towards it" than for a person who makes excuses like that.

Ace · 2019-04-24 16:30:22

CatX wrote:

Ace wrote:
Some people don't like when the map gets too cluttered with camps and want to make an apocalypse. In this case it's actually griefing to stop those people you call "griefers" since what they work for is for the greater good of that time.
Actually, the map is nearly infinite. You may not like being born into towns, but you always have the option to leave and start a brand new town elsewhere.
I have more respect for a person who says "I invoked an apocalypse because I had fun working towards it" than for a person who makes excuses like that.

This isn't actually my reason specifically, it's just something i saw some griefers use as an excuse and they meant when playing as eves they find towns too often.

But that's just one idea for wanting an apocalypse. Since it's in the game for that specific reason, it should be less frowned upon and classified as "griefing".

You can have as much infinity as you want, but if you go right instead of left as an eve you might not be going towards the infinite.

An OFCOURSE it's fun making something that takes so much time while also fighting against the haters. But people argue that anybody that has fun and shares their story should be removed as soon as possible if others don't like it.

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JonySky · 2019-04-24 16:34:55

I honestly do not see any problem writing a story about a serial killer (of a game) ... I think if someone bothers you so much that you can not stand it, it's as simple as not opening the post, not reading it, there's always this option . it can be avoided...

anyway, it does not affect me too much ... generating hatred in a forum of a game is not on my to-do list ...

Until the pornhub is not censored ... everything is fine!

hmrka · 2019-04-24 16:47:09

My point still stands, If your idea of fun is to destroy towns and harm others then you shouldn't brag about it. People like that don't deserve to have their stories heard, and banning them atleast from the forums and discord would make the community less toxic.

Ace · 2019-04-24 16:51:08

Sooo... should people that post stories of how they stopped an apocalypse be also banned since by your logic they are harming others and destroying their town? I just can't understand how does one in a village of let's say 10 be able to "harm" everybody when there are so many systems in place to stop them. The property fences for example are the newest of them.

Nobody is getting harassed in game since we're all playing anonymously except streamers i guess. But even then they have viewers that play with them to defend that village. You can be hurt by anything, by noobs messing up your things, people wanting to do RP of different kinds. Heck, one can feel serious grief when they see someone make a graveyard or moving poop around with no reason by wasting the shovel.

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JonySky · 2019-04-24 16:54:57

hmrka wrote:

My point still stands, If your idea of fun is to destroy towns and harm others then you shouldn't brag about it. People like that don't deserve to have their stories heard, and banning them atleast from the forums and discord would make the community less toxic.

Even if the murderers' stories are not written ... there will still be murderers in the game ...
You can close the mouths of the griefers, but that does not mean they are going to another game ...
not even the SIMS get rid of the griefers!

Astelon · 2019-04-24 16:59:06

*possible buyer checks the forum/discord*
*sees griefer bragging about killing whole villages and stopping streamers from playing*
*gives up on buying*

I'm not sure how many people would want to start playing a new game just to ruin the fun for others.

Ace · 2019-04-24 17:05:47

Because so many people inform themselves from forums or even the game discord...Like the player base majority is totally not ignoring most of the community of this game.

By that logic why don't we try to boycot steam reviews that so many describe the game as too complex and hard so that nobody can make a real picture of what the game is until after their 2h are done and they can't refund it.

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hmrka · 2019-04-24 17:05:56

JonySky wrote:

Even if the murderers' stories are not written ... there will still be murderers in the game ...
You can close the mouths of the griefers, but that does not mean they are going to another game ...
not even the SIMS get rid of the griefers!

As I've said before, i dont care what they do ingame. I don't want them promoting griefing or discouraging possible players from buying the game. And If you play long enough, you can notice griefers easily, so I don't need them to share their stupid pitbull breeding and stuff-hiding tactics on here.

futurebird · 2019-04-24 17:27:43

hmrka wrote:

JonySky wrote:
Even if the murderers' stories are not written ... there will still be murderers in the game ...
You can close the mouths of the griefers, but that does not mean they are going to another game ...
not even the SIMS get rid of the griefers!
As I've said before, i dont care what they do ingame. I don't want them promoting griefing or discouraging possible players from buying the game. And If you play long enough, you can notice griefers easily, so I don't need them to share their stupid pitbull breeding and stuff-hiding tactics on here.

Exactly. I don't have as much of an issue with it in game as I do when people act like griefers are some protected class and we have to pretend to like them or act like they add anything of value to gameplay most of the time. Most of it is kids just killing because that's the only way they know to relate to the game.

And as for pads and such in each instance I was in a town without sheep or shears, or it was just a really young place. I often make pads it's a nice mechanic. But I'm fed up with the gloating and people just tip-toeing around it like it doesn't reflect badly on the game.

I'm not nearly as angry as I was earlier, but this shyness about deciding if trying to kill off towns is valid game play or not-- or if it's anti-social and something we want to discourage is absurd. It isn't impressive or "open minded" to waffle about such things.

Is this a game for griefers? Are they welcome or not? If they are welcome then I know I'm basically not welcome.

And spoonwood, I really am starting to think you just like to argue... didn't you want to ban killing in the game? That's like way far beyond what I'm asking which is that this forum be a place that supports constructive play and if people want to be destructive they go to that griefer discord or just take it to another location.

Heck, when I ran a rather large forum I had a sub-forum called "flame land" for any posts that were off topic, obnoxious, boring, incorrect or unhelpful. I just moved all the bad posts there and if people wanted to keep talking they could. We could even do something like that.

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Spoonwood · 2019-04-24 17:42:31

futurebird wrote:

Spoonwood wrote:
No, it's not an endorsement of griefing to let them speak. It's just a support of them having freedom of speech on the forum. Additionally, griefers give away information about their own selves by letting them talk.

LOL. You'd support a ban for someone who spammed advertisements or who just posted off topic crap. This has nothing to do with free speech. A topical forum has limits we can choose what those are.

It has to do with the issue of free speech on the forum. I don't know if I would support a ban for spammers personally. Please don't make assumptions about me.

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