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#1 2019-11-10 01:58:27

Lava
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Registered: 2019-07-20
Posts: 339

Baby Distribution - Its too good

In all my lives, our town couldn't even pass a population of 10. The problem is there's WAAAY to many families so in turn, it makes towns feel empty, like their no purpose. This also puts a dampening on productivity and scarcity because if there's only five people in a village nothing gets used for decades. Nothing gets done either just bots wandering around aimlessly because everythign seems pointless if its just them and their mom and sister.

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#2 2019-11-10 02:25:37

Keyin
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Registered: 2019-05-09
Posts: 257

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

I do agree that baby distribution is too good-

New eves should be a regular occurrence rather than being based on # of players and established families should have to compete by keeping warm/yumming

Keeping the family alive isn't a priority because the algorithm makes sure your family has plenty of opportunity to save itself.

I also agree there isn't much to do because population is stable and the resource demands of a few well dressed people is very low, population density is also much lower outside the rift so theres more resources per capita.



However I disagree when it comes to ideal number of family members. I tend to prefer towns with 3-5 adults. I think it is near the sweet spot in my opinion. Anymore than 5 adults and you don't really get to know everyone. Even 5 adults feels like too many to me.

In the rift we always got down to two families and you had half the server in your family. Families now are much closer nit now and I like it that way.

No more mega towns, just the family lodge and family sheep pen and family farm.

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#3 2019-11-10 02:49:11

Grim_Arbiter
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Registered: 2018-12-30
Posts: 943

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

Keyin wrote:

No more mega towns, just the family lodge and family sheep pen and family farm.


Until the bells come back haha


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#4 2019-11-10 02:53:58

Keyin
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Registered: 2019-05-09
Posts: 257

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

Grim_Arbiter wrote:
Keyin wrote:

No more mega towns, just the family lodge and family sheep pen and family farm.


Until the bells come back haha


True, I had forgotten about bell towers. At least not EVERY life will be in a big town though. Makes it more special smile

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#5 2019-11-11 07:59:18

LaughAtlantis
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Registered: 2018-06-23
Posts: 76

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

I have only had two boys in my last 22 children. That seems like a really rough distribution.

One of those boys SID'd.  I've had low overalls SIDs lately so... I'm curious as to whether the high girl numbers and no benefit to being a boy make any difference.


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#6 2019-11-11 10:57:21

Kaveh
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Registered: 2019-07-27
Posts: 168

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

LaughAtlantis wrote:

I have only had two boys in my last 22 children. That seems like a really rough distribution.

One of those boys SID'd.  I've had low overalls SIDs lately so... I'm curious as to whether the high girl numbers and no benefit to being a boy make any difference.

I just wanted to reply to this cuz to me there is benefit to being a boy: actually getting things done & exploration. Being born as a girl kind of automatically means I won't go exploring cuz I'd rather have my kids being born in town, and abandoning them sucks. I also won't start any projects that take so long I know I'll have to interrupt them for my babies. Being a boy feels like it gives me a bit more freedom, which is a big plus in my book.

Anyway, true, there aren't a lot of boys around lately. Think it has to do with the 'less than x fertile women' thing; the families are so small that it rarely gets above that number.

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#7 2019-11-11 17:12:30

jasonrohrer
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Registered: 2017-02-13
Posts: 4,805

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

Should I turn the ratio down a bit?  We currently have 7 fams with 68 players, which is 9/fam on average.

Maybe we could get by with 4 fams with 68, or 17/fam on average?  Or maybe 5 fams, to divide the difference.  13/fam on average.  I'll do that now.

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#8 2019-11-11 18:59:25

wondible
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Registered: 2018-04-19
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Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

My first thought is base the number of families on the 24 hour server low point, with an extra high limit in case there is a sudden rush of players.

But I haven't yet looked into the daily survival patterns.


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#9 2019-11-11 19:26:59

Wuatduhf
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Registered: 2018-11-30
Posts: 406

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

It would be 'cute' and maybe an interesting game-play element if there were more 'dynamic' levers constantly adjusting what the players/family and baby/mother ratios were, depending on 'player traffic' throughout the hours, gene fitness, etc.


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#10 2019-11-11 22:10:20

Saolin
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Registered: 2019-05-22
Posts: 393

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

13 sounds better than 9 for a more developed town.  I was just thinking, would it be better if we had a smaller number for eve villages though?  It would probably decrease the routine infanticide in eve villages if they weren't getting overloaded with more kids than they can feed all the time.  They want a few kids, but not too many.  Would help balance the life score issues faced by players in eve villages, probably.  I guess it would be hard to tell for the server what is an eve village, so perhaps "within x amount of time/generations from when the eve spawned"?

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#11 2019-11-12 01:05:32

betame
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Registered: 2018-08-04
Posts: 202

Re: Baby Distribution - Its too good

THIS, emphatically, THIS!!!

Wuatduhf wrote:

It would be 'cute' and maybe an interesting game-play element if there were more 'dynamic' levers constantly adjusting what the players/family and baby/mother ratios were, depending on 'player traffic' throughout the hours, gene fitness, etc.

This game has a centrally unique trait that deserve enormous amounts of attention: the parent-child connection.

He has the resources to wield the differential equations that surround this central premise. He's able to direct birth rates and characterize life outcomes.

But even further:
What does Jason want to tell the world about being a parent? What conditions make that feeling exist? How can folks get a taste in 60 minutes? Is sharing his experience worth his effort?


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