Well wine is never getting made

Saolin · 2019-11-28 18:39:59

Wine will get made. In late game towns. It's not that bad really, sure it's a lot of steps to get it started, but once you have the glassware you just need to water the grapes to keep making more.

On the race topic, I do find it a bit cumbersome that a lot of biome specific ingredients need to be combined with other biome-specific ingredients. I thought it would be more like one race can complete a certain recipe entirely, and another race can complete another recipe entirely, facilitating an exchange of finished products. But the current way does force more interconnectedness than just everyone in town working by themself to make their own finished product, though a lot of the time it's still like this, gather a bunch of palm kernels and just leave them lying around to be used when someone else needs them.

fug · 2019-11-28 21:10:24

Yeah I definitely think it should be more related to a whole recipe rather than the annoyance of content being dead because you can't find the other race. I'd rather it be where blacks can only do something like glass, tans get pumpkin pie, and gingers have fish/shrimp. Obviously it needs to be balanced a little or each needs other recipes but trading for end products makes more sense anyways.

Otherwise we're just going to be in the situation where if someone off color comes to town you just have them fetch a bunch of their specific resource (salt water for gingers, all the desert stuff for blacks, and rubber/palm kernels when tan.)

voy178 · 2019-11-28 23:16:53

Would be so much better if we were trading in finished products instead.

Spoonwood · 2019-11-28 23:18:57

fug wrote:

Yeah I definitely think it should be more related to a whole recipe rather than the annoyance of content being dead because you can't find the other race. I'd rather it be where blacks can only do something like glass, tans get pumpkin pie, and gingers have fish/shrimp. Obviously it needs to be balanced a little or each needs other recipes but trading for end products makes more sense anyways.
Otherwise we're just going to be in the situation where if someone off color comes to town you just have them fetch a bunch of their specific resource (salt water for gingers, all the desert stuff for blacks, and rubber/palm kernels when tan.)

I don't agree. This race restriction system isn't the way to go about encouraging trading. People will just form multicultural villages.

Instead, lock the ability to make certain objects to the family... to the descendants of the Eve. Those objects ONLY make it so that certain things can get done more efficiently, so that everyone once again has access to all content in principle. The differences in efficency would represent different *knowledge* bases of the survivor of the apocalypse (the Eves). Those objects also can also only made in a certain radius of where the Eve spawned, so that way the families just don't run away and form multicultural settlements. Something like a tool that enables you to get more rubber from a tree, or iron from an iron mine, or oil from a rig, or even more water from well.

And that might, just might, work to encourage trading. It wouldn't lock out content. It would create a greater sense of family, since it was your family that had special knowledge. And it would make lives more unique, since not every last character would be the same or restricted arbitrarily and implausibly by their race. And it wouldn't involve diseases like some dropsy which magically appears because of the number of people living in the post-apocalyptic world. And it would enable the game to feel more plausible (something it lacks in sooo many respects), because if some apocalypse came, it WOULD be the case that survivors of it would know different things.

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pein · 2019-11-29 00:22:26

grapes are the best pen corners

Grim_Arbiter · 2019-11-29 04:54:02

pein wrote:

grapes are the best pen corners

+1

fug · 2019-11-29 05:12:16

Grim_Arbiter wrote:

pein wrote:
grapes are the best pen corners
+1

Sauerkraut crocks are easier as long as your family ain't ginger.

Lexyvil · 2019-11-29 19:04:20

In my last town (Bell Town or Megal Town I believe), a lot of wine was made. I brought some to the town a few hundred tiles to the east too.

WalrusesConquer · 2019-11-30 10:46:05

Well multicultural villages are still pretty good. It's a city of people like in irl. You may not need to trade but you are part of a community. If I asked someone to get me a banana and they were nice they probably would do it without anything in return.
I've seen trade and again, if having a bunch of families together, working cooperatively is the worse side-effect then...
Remember how we used to kill all outsiders? This is a nice change from that.

The only thing I think would be better is if that gingers don't mind the cold that much, then we'd probably see more snow and diffrent looking towns if their specialist biome was the best place to be.

Spoonwood · 2019-11-30 16:42:03

I think you have a good poinst Walrus. Still, I think things would be better if any restrictions (or advantages as I've suggested) didn't get tied to race, but rather to family. And it would be more plausible, since it could represent knowledge that the Eve or other members of the family learned and told others about.

w0wma · 2019-12-01 02:04:17

tipy, tipy. i'm sure that jason made this update for when times get boring in late game civilization. because remember how dull everything got when you finally had newcommen towers, oil, clothing, etc etc?

personally, i wouldn't call this update 'racist'. that sounds pathetic and like an extreme exaggeration. i recommend taking a break from this game if you're recommending that people refund this game to go buy real wine. it sounds like you need it.

Gogo · 2019-12-02 14:08:03

Wine is fun and it's been made in advanced / mixed towns. Today I drank it after I made peace with other family.

voy178 · 2019-12-02 21:34:35

Wine is very common. It's hardly wasteful either and so much fun. Hosting dinner parties have never been so entertaining.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-09 18:21:15

jasonrohrer wrote:

Not sure what you guys want here....

Consistency, respect for people, and regard for basic physics.

jasonrohrer wrote:

I've made wine from scratch in real life, and I made it just like it's made in the game, using a clay crock and glass bottles. I didn't use a funnel, because I had a pyrex measuring cup with a spout that I used to fill the bottles. More advanced than a glass funnel.

Oh please. I don't believe you've made wine in the real world like how it works in OHOL. I don't believe specifically that you've blown glass. I don't believe that you've made pyrex either (which is a type of glass). You want to make a real world comparison? But, in OHOL there's no way to burn one's character from blowing glass or even firing at a forge. From a basic level of physics, neither is like how it is in the game, because there aren't potential hazards from too much heat in the wrong place.

And it's ever so inconsistent to blather on saying something like "We're a civilized people who drink our wine proper-like." when clay bowls get used to eat a berry in a bowl, a different yum food from a berry in one's hand, a domestic carrot can get made by using a clay bowl, stew gets eaten from a clay bowl, kraut does also, and so does skim and whole milk, and whole milk is the most efficient food in the game without considering needed materials to make the food.

On top of that, the people who actually make clay bowls really don't seem like the type to reject drinking wine out of a clay bowl as out of the question. I simply don't believe that for a second that people who know and appreciates real-world physics at such an intuitive level as people who use real, burning and dangerous forges would voluntarily handicap their wine drinking ability, given that they like wine of course.

jasonrohrer wrote:

If you've been playing this game for a while, I hope you've come to notice and appreciate the somewhat realistic "maker" aesthetic in this game, where making something in-game feels somewhat akin to making something in real life.

I don't believe for a moment that you understand what people who make glass or clay objects from scratch feel like in the real world. Makers who do hard work don't limit their own self arbitrarily when concerning physical things. They may limit their self for a reason. But, they don't turn all elitist and think "I'll make it impossible for myself to drink wine out of a clay bowl and only use glass, if both are perfectly viable, because I'm civilized and other people were lesser human beings." They're working class people after all and practical minded. They're quite willing to do whatever will work physically when they so desire to do so.

jasonrohrer wrote:

So I'm not sure how you were expecting to grow grapes and make bottles of wine in such a context. Obviously, it was going to take dozens of new steps.

No, it was not obvious, because of how bowls worked before.

voy178 · 2020-01-09 18:49:46

Spoonwood, is it possible that you operate under a different timeline where everything is horribly laggy and you're just ridiculously behind?

That's my canon.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-09 19:40:24

voy178 wrote:

Spoonwood, is it possible that you operate under a different timeline where everything is horribly laggy and you're just ridiculously behind?
That's my canon.

This quote: "We're a civilized people who drink our wine proper-like." isn't even 24 hours old.

voy178 · 2020-01-09 19:55:21

Spoonwood wrote:

This quote: "We're a civilized people who drink our wine proper-like." isn't even 24 hours old.

Or is it just your perception of time itself... lagging... as it were.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-09 20:11:42

voy178 wrote:

Spoonwood wrote:
This quote: "We're a civilized people who drink our wine proper-like." isn't even 24 hours old.
Or is it just your perception of time itself... lagging... as it were.

Source of the quote: https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLifeData7/issues/564

DiscardedSlinky · 2020-01-09 20:14:29

NOT THIS FUCKING THREAD AGAIN HOLY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

StrongForce · 2020-01-09 21:51:53

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