What is the most powerful race (Not meaning to be racist but this is)

Jamie · 2020-02-05 00:51:41

Obviously each race is useful in certain situations. I'm gonna be mostly referring to the late game.

Whites are best in my opinion. Talk to everyone with no language barrier, Fuck specialty when you can just ask them for it.

Though jungle is nice early game for the bananas.

JackTreehorn · 2020-02-05 01:02:03

Jungles are the best imo. Everyone always needs rubber and jungles have the easiest time getting it. You can loot abandoned towns for sulphur and there are lots of bonuses for the jungle. Sugar, Mangoes, Bananas, Tomatoes and Tattoos. Its super hard to find latex buckets in abandoned towns if your a desert person. So my ranking would be Jungles,Desert,Whites then Redheads.

Legs · 2020-02-05 01:08:48

Most importantly, junglers are the only ones that can trigger the apocalypse.

Spoonwood · 2020-02-05 01:24:34

The advantage of more horses I would guess outweighs many things. Don't have water in town? Import it using a horsecart. A horsecart gets you all sorts of resources earlier also. So, blacks.

That said I haven't played on bs2, so I can very easily have missed something here. But, I do recall a debate like a week after racial restrictions came out, and from what I could tell the race most often rated highest was blacks.

DestinyCall · 2020-02-05 03:08:13

The clear winner is vanilla. Because it is so much fun to trade for everything you need to survive. In fact, with the well-developed economic features available in OHOL, I almost feel bad for people who have to spend their time gathering resources from a special biome, when they could be standing around talking and making maps, like me.

JasonY · 2020-02-05 03:32:23

I'm going to say gingers.

They are the only race that can make Belltown and Oil. They also get access to sealskin coats and fishing.

karltown_veteran · 2020-02-05 04:03:57

The a Marshmallow Fluff Folks. Lots of jobs they can still do and communication is *so useful*

pein · 2020-02-05 04:16:48

blacks are best hands down

you can always get a horse and go get stuff, make contact, then go home, while getting somewhere on foot, getting a horse might be harder but for sure more boring.

Sure you can be born in a town with a horse, but then your ancestors made contact before. So you would think that it gets depreciated, but I think it won't really. Once I joined a game, I was born to a travelling mom, we just found a pretty well-made town with an unfinished bell and no engine, after travelling 2000 tiles around with a horse, I was able to map it out, so the day after I found my way back, helped to finish the tower and move some people there, even had 2000x900 tiles mapped out so I was able to use that information to get more packs and horses, find other families later. That town became a bell town. All other towns which died out but were left in decent shape were black towns. It was called "black town" on the notes, but you just gotta look at an early camp and can figure out. It had horses, clothes, proper pen, proper building, it was repopulated. You can't say that for a brown town, they can't make it on their own, they also need sulfur t advance.

An interesting stat based on bell tower data: kreol skin people travel the most. While the blacks got the horses, they generally got it stolen, or they merge, later on, some people go out to help make rubber, or just get taken or the wheels are good motivation to go for long trips.

The other interesting stat, which I can't really prove, but based on experience: white people are the biggest hoarders. Often times I see a town where white people live, they didn't make that town, they didn't even make much change to it, but they got all the horses, buckets and clothes from the area. When I play multiple times and find a town that I like, I try to return. a lot of times all the things I make gets stolen and I can't even find in nearby bell towns. Then there always is a parallel road, a closeby small town with 5 horses, 15 buckets and white people.
Also, they are the most commonly surviving families in a bell town. While all others get killed and change around, whites are always there, leaching on others. And I guess, due to the fact that they are technologically useless, attract more unskilled people who don't care about advancing in tech, and they don't even care about going out of town, so they survive and consume resources, make drama, but it won't die out.

It can be useful to understand a language but with no skill on their own, they just asking stuff from others. I haven't had too many pleasure asking people to do stuff, took me 5 minutes to explain to people to grab a charcoal basket, a bucket of water, bring a burning shaft. When we got there, the ginger girl made a fire on the ice then said "bye" cause she didn't want to spend time doing the only thing they were able to do, me being black had to ask the white girl to tell her to stay and make a few attempts at an oil rig.

So your skin tone won't matter if you are an idiot anyway. And if you are not you don't need much communication to understand each other.

As for gingers: I saw a lot of ice towns, not that many jungle or desert towns. Big useless waste of space, and a lot of lost clothes, tools and items for other races. Gingers got the hardest part of the specialization, and they hardly ever do it.

My experience with the races:
Black towns are generally lower population, but get to a decent level, then people go out on horses and settle elsewhere, often they got a few outposts closeby.
Browns start up well and got a lot of girls, they move out but need to go on foot early so the chances are that blacks find them and they make good cities together.
Whites are more often noob players since they don't know the suicide mechanics or the importance of special resources, also more roleplayers. So they stuck in their own town and ruin it. If they ever end up in a bell town, which is kinda the only way they see anything more advanced, they ruin that as well, but somehow they survive the longest time.
Gingers generally take over another town, often a bell town, they fail to make oil and die out. If they make a bit of oil, that gets used up before others can profit from it.

It can be easier to ask for sulfur than to ask people to get some rubber.
Still, I think that a good play session starts from an Eve camp, then you return there, get to know the area and return next lives.

Before this dumb tool slots and restrictions, getting a horse early was superior to other startups. You can get a few sets of full clothing, rather than make your own. You can gather branches, adobe, clay and iron way faster. A good city is made by a few veterans with a plan, cities made over a long period, are ugly and impractical.

So
Black
Brown
Ginger
White

There is no such thing as trade, only theft and a bit of charity.

DiscardedSlinky · 2020-02-05 04:26:24

Brown people are by far the most powerful.

They're the only ones that can cause the apocolpyse.

Also they control 2 things, rubber and palm oil. Black people only have sulfur

DestinyCall · 2020-02-05 05:09:47

DiscardedSlinky wrote:

Brown people are by far the most powerful.

They're the only ones that can cause the apocolpyse.
Also they control 2 things, rubber and palm oil. Black people only have sulfur

And horses.

Gogo · 2020-02-05 05:34:21

What is the best race to play?

As blacks you spend most of the time taming horses that can be immediately stolen. You're pissed. Also good luck with ropes.

As gingers you making kerosene which is vital for towns and bells which make towns thrives. Making new pumps are annoying in the late state of the world.

As browns you bringing latex and palm oil, trees can be replanted so you working near town. Fairly easy.

As whites you gather stuff and talks. Super easy.

Gingers and browns are my favourite races, I value gingers the most.

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Spoonwood · 2020-02-05 07:21:28

DiscardedSlinky wrote:

Brown people are by far the most powerful.

They're the only ones that can cause the apocolpyse.
Also they control 2 things, rubber and palm oil. Black people only have sulfur

No, browns don't control rubber. They control latex (on bs2).

DiscardedSlinky · 2020-02-05 07:47:57

Spoonwood wrote:

No, browns don't control rubber. They control latex (on bs2).

Thank you for this very much needed clarification

testo · 2020-02-05 09:58:15

JasonY wrote:

I'm going to say gingers.

They are the only race that can make Belltown and Oil. They also get access to sealskin coats and fishing.

Once you they get a Newcomen Hammer Blacks can make Belltowns too, and since they have horses they have the easiest time finding Browns.

Since the opener asked about power, I will say this:

Under the present state of the game it is useless to think about power, since trade is virtually nonexistent and control over any special commodity is not indicative of power.

That being said, if each race was forced to play in towns separatedly, with trade routes enabled properly on a closed system with limited resources (non infinite map or a rift), then it´s not even close. In a quantitative mesure of 100% total control it would be like:

Blacks 45%
Browns 27,5%
Gingers 22,5%
White 5%

Because:

a)Whites have no way of trading and a few pieces of paper are good enough to comunicate.

b)The main trade unit would be the rubber tire.

c)Gingers can´t do anything without rubber, making them completely dependant on the other two races.

d)Browns and Blacks have complete control over the main trade item.

e)Blacks can trade on equal units with Browns (No Black person would trade a bowl of sulfur for a bowl of palm kernels, as black you would trade a sulfur for a bucket of latex and a bowl of kernels, thus making the trade equal in value).

f)Finally Blacks have not only half the rubber production but also the horse and glass monopoly. Top that with pigments, niter and alum and you get pretty much half the game in control. It all comes down on what you don´t have. If Blacks refuse to trade sulfur then nobody has rubber.

JasonY · 2020-02-05 10:28:28

Not really because nobody can survive without merging with other races.

A black with a horse can discover the browns and collaborate, They can both advance and it's a powerful alliance in the mid-game. But even though Gingers are not useful early and mid-game, Everybody will be begging them for oil. Rubber can be mass-produced as long as you have the resources. I have delivered sulfur to jungle towns in the past but these towns still get abandoned in favor of ginger merge towns.

I like being white still because it saves on precious tool slots. They may not be useful for material gain but they are very good for diplomacy. It is easier to broker peace between other families and breaks up murders. I know a lot of murders are stupid but I have seen families get killed off because all the girls died because of a murder chain. As a non-white, I don't know if the angry ginger girl is chasing a legitimate griefer or if she is the griefer herself. I'll help preserve any race because all of them are useful, even whites.

But realistically nobody is really competing Like you say trade doesn't exist. So, in the end, it's better to just merge or at least have towns in a tight cluster with a road network. But yes, I concede that blacks are better for most of the game.

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Spoonwood · 2020-02-05 16:20:23

JasonY wrote:

Not really because nobody can survive without merging with other races.

No. There is plenty of wild food, and also natural springs out there. The map is very, very large. Others have mentioned migrating when deep wells run dry before. Whether you want to do so or others want to do so, though, is likely another story.

Jamie · 2020-02-05 23:15:49

Spoonwood wrote:

JasonY wrote:
Not really because nobody can survive without merging with other races.
No. There is plenty of wild food, and also natural springs out there. The map is very, very large. Others have mentioned migrating when deep wells run dry before. Whether you want to do so or others want to do so, though, is likely another story.

That's not progress

Spoonwood · 2020-02-05 23:30:58

Jamie wrote:

Spoonwood wrote:
JasonY wrote:
Not really because nobody can survive without merging with other races.
No. There is plenty of wild food, and also natural springs out there. The map is very, very large. Others have mentioned migrating when deep wells run dry before. Whether you want to do so or others want to do so, though, is likely another story.

That's not progress

You're right. I just meant to refer to survival.

pein · 2020-02-06 02:04:46

But even so, most blacks are making outposts, I saw 3 viable towns made by same black family 600 away from the town I worked on, eventually, it became the 2nd bell town, and soon after we had the third Belltown south of it. That was also started by black families. Then 3 other south of it, also made by blacks.

Sure, when we jump on the eve spawns, then we don't know where we are, but more often then not, a few days later someone finds one viable town and settles it again. If it has water and you can make a rubber than it can be a decent town for a few hours.

Veterans can dry wells way faster than that, others who don't care much can live 3-4 hours in a town until food becomes an issue.

There are some good towns, right next to oil spots, I like to return to those and make them work. Making a grid of wells also helps, cause naturally, they would be further away from each other. Same for oil, like starting off each spot near the road then 200 to it.

JasonY · 2020-02-06 03:17:55

Spoonwood wrote:

Jamie wrote:
Spoonwood wrote:
No. There is plenty of wild food, and also natural springs out there. The map is very, very large. Others have mentioned migrating when deep wells run dry before. Whether you want to do so or others want to do so, though, is likely another story.

That's not progress
You're right. I just meant to refer to survival.

People do actually use this strategy to survive a little longer. But ultimately people would rather merge, Evident by all the abandoned villages but consistently populated Belltown's.

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