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I wholeheartedly agree with the OP.

Though there is even another aspect I'd like to add.
The fact that Jason often shows contempt towards the community when we oppose him.
Like when he changed the lineage ban to the area ban and people told him it was absolutely horrible because of the distance (which it was) and he simply told us "you guys liked going back to the same villages and I suspect you just want to do that again without telling me".
Or back when he decided to change the biome temperatures and people told him the fact that certain places had perfect temperature wasn't such a big deal and he simply said "you guys want everything to be easy".
Yeah. That's contempt. Arrogantly assuming our true intentions while completely discarding our arguments.
That's unbearable for me.
Do you really think we just want to play a pie baking simulator or something?

The problem with this is that there's an actual reason behind such a disconnect and that reason is none other than Jason himself.

This is something I wanted to post about but I figured it wouldn't matter anyways, I got fed up.
I came here and bought the game because Jason communicated a vision to me, through his trailer.
The problem though is that the trailer is immutable whereas Jason's vision is constantly shifting.
From what I could tell in the trailer, I saw people being a small contribution in the rebuilding of civilization up to the point where we have modern cars or even atomically powered bases.
He even stated he'd be "one step ahead" of said civilization by adding new content every week.
This vision sold me immediately. Rebuilding civilization up to such a point sounded like the most exciting thing ever (reminded me of the industrial modded mc experience which I talked about in one of my very first posts).

The reality however is so much more different.
And I mean it. Just watch the trailer and compare that to the last few months of update and tell me it's the same thing.
It's not.
Now instead Jason seems to be completely focused on enforcing a certain playstyle in his game and that simply because "there is not enough drama" and "you don't want to kill each other enough".
It's ridiculous and honestly I'm sick and tired of it. Where's the new content?
When can we get back to rebuilding civilization, Jason?

That's what made me want to reply to Jason.
Him suddenly deciding the game was about useless drama rather than rebuilding civilization like the vision of his trailer promised me.
That's not what I signed up for. I'm tired of it.

His vision simply seems to shift according to what he thinks we should be doing rather than making a fun game given the initial premise of rebuilding civilization.
And that disconnect between what the people think they're playing and what Jason wants can be further explained by him simply barely playing his own game.
A lot of people are starting to suspect this. He must be playing another game, how come is his vision SO MUCH different from what people play?
He played one life with fences and had thoughts about killing his own blood and decided, based on that one life, that the fences are working as intended.
How convenient.
No wonder since he seems to want drama at all costs, when griefers come and tell their dramatic stories (because that's what they're here for, mind you), he bows down to them and does as they please.

I registered and started posting in this forum because I am passionate about this game, because I recognized that it had an enormous potential.
I wanted to keep rebuilding civilization and advancing in the tech tree.
But no, instead, we should be his lab testing rats.
Instead we should fight each other because of contrived reasons simply because Jason all of the sudden decided we weren't telling enough stories.
And, forgive me but, fuck that.

Move along, citizen!!
This is the joke police!!
A joke crime was committed here, move along!!

Ah, yes.

I am now a pedophile because the pixels of my characters were thrusted towards the pixels of another player's characters.
Are you sure it's not your head that needs to get examined?

There is so much wrong within this thread.
I'm just not going to bother responding to people individually and instead attempt to explain (in vain) why censorship is wrong and making jokes is an important tool of today's society.

That's right, jokes are a tool used by society.
It allows breaking the ice and talking about awkward/taboo yet important subjects while simultaneously being a quick way to spread information.
That's right, information.
Jokes are supposed to be understood by people, there's a reason behind why they're funny other than "hurr durr sex".

Jokes are like memes. Memes are excellent at this because they are basically symbolism. They very quickly associate a message (information) behind something simple (a symbol).
By sharing a meme, you spread information. Why? Because there is a message behind the meme. There is an intended rhetoric behind it.

Now you might say "well Léonard what's the message behind a rape joke?".
And the answer is very simple.
And NO, it is NOT that "rape is okay". Saying that rape jokes "normalize" rape is, forgive me, plain and simply retarded.
It shows you literally cannot take a joke. You're literally going against the point of jokes.
The message behind a rape joke is that rape is NOT okay.
That's why it is funny.
The fact that rape is not okay IS LITERALLY THE REASON WHY RAPE JOKES ARE FUNNY.

Let's take a real life example.
Let's say that I am playing a casual game with my friend in voicechat.
Any game, say rocket league for example.
My friend makes a mistake and the ball goes in our gates.
I fake being angry and I tell my friend "dude, I'm gonna rape you now".
He laughs. Do you know why he laughs? Because he knows rape is not okay.
He was smart enough to understand the information behind the joke which is, again, THE FACT THAT RAPE IS NOT OKAY.
THAT'S. WHY. IT'S. FUNNY.

We could even go deeper than that (get it? XDDDDDDDDDDD).
If you are even smarter than this, you may get past the next level of joke mastery.
You may understand that even the fact that I fake being angry is a joke in on itself.
My friend knows I'm a chill person and that I wouldn't just start threatening him just because he made a simple everyday mistake in a game we're playing together (we wouldn't be friends otherwise, by the way).
The message to get behind this is that taking things to astoundingly and insanely serious levels is also wrong.

There are also very important aspects regarding the ability to take jokes and being able to take a step back and consider the bigger picture as a social skill.
I'd like to explain this stuff, but let's first see how this post goes and watch as I get called a rapist, childish and all sorts of things.

Sorry for a late reply.

The game moving in slow motion is a sign of FPS lag.
The game is coded to only work with a fixed framerate so when your FPS goes down for whatever reason, the game literally slows down instead of accounting for it.
This also means that the only solution is to lower your target framerate and is what Jason actually wants people to do in response to the problem.
In short, rather than profit of higher framerate whenever you can, Jason would rather have you constantly play with low eye-tearing FPS.

If you actually want to profit of high framerate without being negatively affected by FPS lag (ie still using zoom or things like that) then I do have a client that fixes this issue and makes the game work with variable framerate.
The client is a fork of OHOL+ from Awbz so you can use the zoom feature and even zoom out completely and still move at realtime speed if you want.
If you're interested I'll happily share a binary of my client later.

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Because yes, I know, I make gigantic posts.
But this next part, I believe, is crucially important.

This actually is true in some sense, but not for the reason that you think.
The /die command has existed for a little while already.
Only recently has the amount of babies not wanting to play has increased.

This is very important.
I noticed it myself but not just with baby suicide.
What I noticed is that after the last update and the server reset, a bell town emerged.
You know that town. The one with a pen right in the middle, a loom right under it and the worst poop spam in OHOL history.

I only got there twice. The people there were having absolute fun. Making, dying and trying out the new clothes. Trying the new content that Jason made.
They were happy and prospered. People would have harmless snowball fights. Geese making and killing. Mariages. All sorts of stuff.
Then I noticed. After I died from that town and played normally in other villages, EVERY SINGLE HORSES WERE GONE.
I didn't really understand why, so I kept bringing and taming a couple every lives.
They would be stolen by migrating people EVERY SINGLE TIME without fail.
It was not long after the reset so the town was still a couple thousand tiles away at best.
Yes. They all wanted to go back to the town.

And this also happened with the absolute swarm of radio builders when the radio update happened.
People were building radio stuff left and right, even if there still was technological advancement to be made in their current village.

I think this hints at what is really happening here.
People are STARVING FOR NEW CONTENT.
We had been begging Jason for this loom clothing update for far longer than planes.
And finally, he gave it, and people once again had something new to do.
People are utterly bored with this game.
Where is the content we've been promised?
"I'll be staying one step ahead by updating the game every week".
Where? Where did this promise go, Jason?

People are tired of Jason focusing on the way people play his game rather than adding new content like he promised.
Keep adding new content like was promised to add depth to the game rather than trying to change the way people behave which happened only because they're trying to make up for the absolute lack thereof.

Add content for the game. Add depth.
Make people able to upgrade the berry farms, perhaps with irrigation?
Add content for BOTH type of camps: early and late.
People will have more of a reason to stay. They will want to try new things in early camps.
Variety, diversity, depth.
I guarantee you will have less baby suicides.

And by the way, this also applies to the problem of modern society and the emergence of property.
I have been thinking of making a serious post discussing in depth the implications of this.
But, basically, the fact that people are utterly bored combined with the fact that there is no tech to reliably support bigger and denser population is the reason OHOL civilization is stuck in the sharing village state.

Not only are people bored in cities because of the total lack of new content, but they are stuck with doing the same thing over and over again in order to survive.
If there was more content and more tech that allowed us to be even more efficient with food, then we would have a chance at property emerging naturally.
It's a known fact that such type of civilizations historically evolved when the population grew bigger and denser which happened only because people could be even more efficient with production.
Big civilizations always existed near rivers because of irrigation. They could irrigate their crops and as such sustain denser and bigger populations.

In a current OHOL village, there are 20 people tops. You can see and know what everyone is doing. Baking? Smithing? Or maybe a griefer?
But with a bigger population, you find yourself with a surplus of food and the problem of distribution arises.
You don't know everyone, so do you give free pies to everyone? Even if it might be a griefer? Or do you give the pies to the people whom you deem productive and are interested in the good of your city?
If you could optimise food production, people could overtake big projects, such as a greater and privatized (via buildings) food production.
They could then use pies as currency. Modern problems require modern solutions.
You would have a primitive form of government. A primitive society with a primitive form of property.

But for that, you need more people playing in a given city (less baby suicides).
And for that, you need new content.
New content which would allow even more efficient production which would give a chance to an ever-growing population to actually organize itself into a primitive form of government and actually sustain itself.
That's how this works. Making magic fences will hardly make people come up with property as being a sharing village will still be the most viable option if there's barely 20 people in town.

I like the idea.
It's kinda dumb that we had to come up with it because of people having too low of an IQ to notice there is an actual number next to certain people's names before cursing.
I do like however that it would mean I wouldn't have to put up with the billionth lazer. Or bob for that matter.

/cue in the people arguing against this because "not enough RP opportunities" because we "killed the bob cult".

Think about it though. Names could hold actual value. Imagine being the one and only original bob of your lineage.

Impeccable logic.

How was it out of context?
You were just complaining that only a handful of players supported your idea and then all of the sudden you say "if no one supports my suggestions, why should I support yours?".
Yeah, great thinking there.

If by "talking down" you mean "pointing out flaws and making proper arguments", then the use goes without saying.
The use is that at the end of the day, the game gets better.
That's how constructive criticism works.
You give me an idea, I point out certain aspects about it and from there we can conclude that the idea is good or bad and judge it on its own merits.
Again, if your ideas don't stand up on their own, it's your own fault.

Seriously?
You think I bother to properly make arguments against or for certain ideas just so I can make my life easier?
The very fact that I'm responding to you should show that I'm not just thinking about myself here.
You're free to argument against or for my ideas and from there we can judge them on their own merit.
But no. You'd rather just spout nonsense about people not caring enough about each other instead.

You know, even in FPS and RPG games you have cooperation.
Ever heard of team deathmatch?
You ever heard of the theory that games like these actually increase cooperation skills rather than decrease them?

But nah, games like these are fundamentally violent and therefor make individuals violent and transform people into mass murderers, am I right?

I actually kind of liked your post, the questions you ask can be interesting and might be worth talking about.

Oh boy. Really now?
Well.. What's the point of playing the game at all if towns inevitably die anyways?
What's the point of living if everybody dies? Wait, don't tell me you're a serial killer in real life too and justify your murders by calling yourself an "agent of chaos".
Now where have I seen this before..

I know you're part of the "I kill big towns to help small Eve towns" bandwagon.

If that's your point for griefing, then I turn the same question to you.
Knowing Eve towns will inevitably die, why do you bother trying to help them in the first place by killing other towns?
Do you get what the problem is with this question?
Then, perhaps you might shift the argument into "well, if it's ultimately pointless, it's just to spice things up, you know".
Or you might rationalize it into "well there will always be griefers anyways, might as well join in on the fun" (as you have done in the past).
Too often do I see griefers try to sell me griefing as part of the game.
They say it's inevitable. And then get surprised when it turns out people dislike them.

This goes back to the problem of "what's the point"?
What's the point of playing if there are griefers in the game?
The piece that you're missing in order to see the bigger picture is exactly this.
"What's the point?" Having such a nihilistic view of things is not healthy nor is it useful.
The real answer is "there is no point". It's "the point is whatever you make it out to be".
It's what you want it to be.
And that's why people dislike griefers.

I recently saw someone actually make this point properly.
It was something along the lines of "I have no problem in playing the game knowing full well no towns last forever but playing the game while actively worrying about griefers is just not fun".
Yes. People KNOW everything they do will inevitably be useless and fall to dust.
But despite this fact, people live their lives. They make up their own goals. Maybe it's building/advancing technology. Maybe it's making sure your lineage survives in the present.
And griefers come and spit in their faces while trying to dictate to them what they should be doing and how they should enjoy playing this game.
They try to impose their nihilistic views on you. They want nothing to matter.
That's why we dislike griefers.

Absolutely. It is pretty much the most boring part of this game and sadly a big necessity.
Farming is the most repetitive activity out of all things. It is in DESPERATE NEED of variation in my opinion.
I'd say I farm in only about 1/8th of my lives.
I'm the builder type. I enjoy much more building things and progressing in technology.
Doing this makes the game that much more enjoyable to me as it's much more varied.
Towns don't need the exact same thing over and over again and everytime like they do for watering the berries or replanting the carrots...

I wonder if you have personally tried to build something complex like an engine or a radio. Or an oil rig.
You seem like an experienced player but even some veterans on here continuously admit how they've never tried x and y so you never know.
If you haven't I definitely recommend it.

Yes. When people try to argue that I should be forced to play out lives I don't want to play.
It's usually an argument made against the /die command along the lines of "it hurts the Eve towns too much".
If I wasn't interested in helping your camp in the first place, forcing me to stay in it will do you no good.
If people who argue for such a thing ever get their way, then I will happily grief their precious Eve camps.
I mean, I'm literally being forced to play against my will here, the only non-boring thing left to do would be to start killing to protest.
I might as well take the town down with me to ensure I don't run into the same issue again.

You yourself argue that you started griefing because the game became stale for you.
Well, imagine if you were forced to play out every single lives. How boring.

There are two ways to interpret your question.
One is what I think about your playstyle specifically.
This would be because most griefers (you included) state that they don't grief every single lives and don't dedicate every single lives to griefing.
I don't really have an opinion on such a thing. I don't really get why griefers keep stating this over and over again.
It's almost like you want validation in some way.
It's not because you play nice in some lives that all of the sudden it's okay to grief in others in my book. This doesn't change people's opinion at all.
It doesn't change anything. It doesn't somehow "repair" the damage you've done in previous lives. It doesn't "absolve" you in any way.

The other interpretation I have of this is people who do nice things in a life but then later decide to grief in that same life.
The same logic applies here too.
It's not because you made a bunch of compost or made a bunch of pies which I even might have eaten that all of the sudden it's okay for you to murder that one guy who seemed a bit rude to you.
Yeah, no. Still griefing.
You're not entitled to anything. Doing a service doesn't grant you special powers.
Not in my opinion anyways.

No. No offence but I consider this a dumb question.
If I wasn't going to play in a certain town in the first place, do you really think forcing me to stay would change ANYTHING?
That would be perfectly pointless. I intended to not play in that town in the first place, why should I force myself to stay alive if I'm not even going to do anything there anyways?

As a counter-argument, you might say that people using /die has side-effects/consequences.
Such as not resetting the mother's cooldown.
Of course I don't condone people who purposefully do that.
I always make sure to wait for my mom to pick me up when I decide to try my luck elsewhere so that she may have another baby.
At times you don't have a choice however, if my mom doesn't want to pick me up at all or is running away from me, I'm left with no other choice.

Another counter-argument might be that as the only young female in your lineage I should stay to make sure your lineage survives.
But that's another discussion altogether.
If I'm born as your only surviving daughter and I decide I don't want to play in this town and you want me to stay despite that, then you're basically expecting me to stand there and be your baby tool while I do nothing and bore myself to death.
You're actually the one being selfish there. You're asking me to comply to your demands despite what I might feel about them.
If your reply to that is that it's me who's being selfish then we get into another kind of problem.
Saying I'm the one who's selfish in this case implies it's my fault, my bad if your lineage dies.
Which it clearly is not. And it's not because:
The sex is determined at birth, based completely on random chance, with a 50/50 chance at either sex.
As such it is impartial. It is not my fault if I'm born as your last surviving daughter.
It's no one's fault. I don't get to decide my sex. No one does.
This is why people hate being called Hope so much. It's fundamentally a burden.
You're trying to force a burden on someone who has nothing to do with what's happening to you and your lineage.
And you expect them to carry this burden for their entire lives.
It's not my fault! What if I was born as a boy instead? Would you have been okay with me dying? That's not fair!

Here, you are inferring on my intentions simply by quoting a part of my post out of context while both blatently ignoring the point previously made and complaining that I take stuff you say out of context, perhaps to make me look bad?
You are also referring to a thread you made in which people were intrigued by the stats you produced (in which there was zero discussion about privacy until I posted my own stats), perhaps to make it look like nobody cares about privacy?

I'll bring up the relevant parts of my post (since you, perhaps intentionally, didn't include them).

In short, it's not because people liked their personal stats that nobody cares about privacy.
And this can actually be proven by looking at both me, who appreciated your efforts to make a tool but who was still skeptical about the privacy issue, and Destiny, who also appreciated the personal stats in your thread but called you out once you started posting stats about specific people in threads that were not even relevant to it.
And this is why claiming "nobody cares about privacy" because "everybody liked my stats" is a dishonest argument to make.

People can still make their own stat tools if they try it on their own data.

Here, again, you completely miss the point and are pretty much putting words in my mouth at this point.
I never said your opinion didn't matter or that you didn't have an opinion.
I said you saying Jason would be wasting his time by not conforming to your opinion is also part of said opinion.
The point being that you were not adding anything to the discussion.

If what you wanted to achieve was explaining how a private system could work to everyone, why did you call me out specifically?
Especially knowing that I had already proposed a solution.
The only thing I could interpret from this is that you wanted to explain to me something that had already been explained by me.
It just looked like a complete waste of time, which is what I pointed out by saying that I knew, not that you had "insulted my intelligence".
This had nothing to do with ego.

You're right.
This wouldn't go anywhere as long as you keep missing my points and argue about stuff I didn't say.
And also as long as you keep saying things that don't add anything to the discussion, or try to infer on my intentions to make me look like someone I'm not.

Saying "this has never happened before" is blatantly wrong, then.
I would post statistics about the amount of people getting stalked by malicious people online but I think you get the picture.

Really?
You're going to taunt me for knowing you can breach my privacy if you wanted?
Your posts adding nothing to the discussion is decidedly a theme.

You're pretty much proving the point people who are concerned about their privacy make.
I don't want people like you coming here to taunt me about having data about me.
That's just ridiculous. What have you accomplished by doing this?

Unless you're playing at the same time the logs get updated I guess.
If the point was really to prevent gathering realtime information about who is who ingame then the logs would be lagged behind by a day rather than written once a day.

Yes, you can curse dead people.
But I suppose the update rate does make this unviable.
Still, people can find out who cursed who specifically and I still dislike that.

This doesn't really add anything to the discussion at hand.
Of course minecraft has no concept of anonymity.
And people can be harassed both inside and outside the game by griefers because of that.
If we can avoid that in OHOL then it is my opinion that we should.
I don't want to see some stupid griefer that I cursed a day ago start PMing me on discord or on the forums.

Unless, which was the argument made in my post, this person has shared information about at least ONE life.
If someone makes a link between one of your lives and your identity, then they can make the link for every single one of your lives without needing your permission and THAT's what I dislike.

This is kind of a hypocrite argument to make from your position by the way, considering you used this very fact to make stats about a bunch of people without needing their permission.

I mean don't get me wrong, I like the tools you came up with and I am thankful for them.
But I would much rather have my stats be private than have you dig through my posting history to find one of my lineages and make up stats about me without me even knowing.

So now this is another kind of argument to make.
You're basically saying "if you get harassed, simply change your name online or ignore it".
Which obviously goes without saying.
The thing is, again, if we can avoid having to deal with this in the first place, then we absolutely should!

I did actually say here that sharing a single lineage link shouldn't mean the totality of your lives could be found.
Besides, it's not like it's going to show anything relevant here as killing with pitbulls doesn't exactly show up on your kill count.

Nowadays I have more of a casual playstyle, I often play a few lives before putting the game down and coming back to it much later.
I definitely remember some odd behavior with that like for example coming back to the game and only being able to spawn in early Eve camps when absolutely no reset took place.
Your post reinforced my doubts and made me unsure enough that I went to check the code.

Turns out you're right.
It's playtime.
This explains SO MUCH.
Definitely explains why the initial area ban distance made things SO BAD.
I remember picking up the game after a break of way more than 1H30 and finding that 4 /dies from Eve camps was enough to get me banned from everywhere.
My eyes are opened! I got redpilled.
The lineage bans must have SO MUCH MORE impact on overall town fertility than I had ever imagined.
This is terrible both for towns and individuals.

From reading the code, you only get unbanned from a lineage if you:

• Play 1H30 in total on other lineages after the ban

• Don't get born back in that lineage for more than 24 hours (A WHOLE DAY)

This is terrible.
This means that people who have a big town playstyle are forced to either wait a whole day or play in Eve camps for 1H30.
That's insane.
I might consider running as a baby once again to avoid having unnecessary bans added to my account. After all, an Eve camp can become a city in a few hours. Why should I wait a whole day to return to it?