Nothing lasts forever ... let it all decay.

DestinyCall · 2019-10-17 16:00:50

All clothing should decay.

There's no sense in having limited rabbits if we have infinite backpacks, clogs, straw hats, seal skins, and fancy clothes. Rabbit clothing already decays, but reed skirt lasts forever. We never wash our clothing or maintain it in any way. It should all eventually become rag clothing and fall apart from years of constant use.

Right now, what does or does not decay isn't logical - a pile of wheat decays, but a bundle of wheat does not. A seal skin coat decays, but a seal hide does not. Milk and raw meat never spoils. It isn't consistent or realistic. In fact, everything should have a decay timer, so everything goes away eventually.

Clothing, raw meat, crops, tools, carts, walls, food, roads, diesel engines, radios, cars, airplanes ... nothing lasts forever.

Dust to dust, ashes to ashes.

fug · 2019-10-17 16:15:29

I mean that's sort of the issue with him solely looking at rabbits and deciding that their a problem without taking a step back and seeing the big picture. Removing infinite rabbits doesn't suddenly have an real effect on the game as putting on the cheapest nondecaying clothing set still raises your temperature by a moderate amount.

However, when he goes towards the early game clothing he needs to be careful to not make it completely useless like he did to mouflon hides for a split second by reducing their insulation. Make it all decay but be reasonable about it. It's not worth a rope + reeds if the thing decays <6 hours considering any other rope related item doesn't currently decay. Straw hats on the other hand are incredibly cheap and should have a shorter timer (which you then upgrade everyone elses hats to bowlers later when sheep are more plentiful.)

Like I said in the other thread the main issue with rabbits is they produce a lifetimes supply of food by clothing a single person in the village, dress a few people and next thing you know you've potentially fed 1/3rd of your village in a single life.

Kill wild gooseberry bushes after being picked up, cacti stop producing eventually, geese stop laying eggs, and let the meats decay. Nerfing rabbits isn't treating the actual problem we have.

JonySky · 2019-10-17 16:26:20

There are many things without logic in OHOL ...
an arrowhead occupies an entire square ... just like a car with horses ... or an engine ... size does not matter in OHOL hehehehe

Keyin · 2019-10-17 16:43:27

Mutton is too OP... theoretically, you should be able to feed 10x the number of people by feeding them what would be fed to livestock.

Meaning, mutton should only be worth the food of : 6 Berry+Carrot*0.1(because 90% of energy is lost when moving up tropic level) / 4 (divided by # of pieces of meat)

DestinyCall · 2019-10-17 16:54:11

Keyin wrote:

Mutton is too OP... theoretically, you should be able to feed 10x the number of people by feeding them what would be fed to livestock.
Meaning, mutton should only be worth the food of : 6 Berry+Carrot*0.1(because 90% of energy is lost when moving up tropic level) / 4 (divided by # of pieces of meat)

You are thinking too small. Look at the food utilization numbers.

https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=69

I think the problem is pretty obvious. Wild gooseberries are OP.

The replenishment timer on wild gooseberry bush should be changed to match the new rate of pond refill - 168 hours. So one new berry regrows each week. Any wild bushes near town will be quickly depleted and no longer provide cheap, easy food. All food production will require time, labor, iron, and water usage after the initial start-up period.

Also, domestic sheep, pigs and cattle should die of old age, like dogs. Nothing lives forever.

miskas · 2019-10-17 18:05:36

DestinyCall wrote:

The replenishment timer on wild gooseberry bush should be changed to match the new rate of pond refill - 168 hours.

This would be extreme and maybe we will start having problems with bootstrapping.

Ether make them spawn with like 40 berries and then and they refill after 168 hours
Or make them change over time so they stop producing after the Eve window closes.

I think tie them over the Eve window is better.

DestinyCall · 2019-10-17 18:29:47

Bananas don't respawn at all. Neither do carrots, burdock, or onions.

Why should berries?

It only takes four minutes to grow a row of carrots. We don't need all these pesky gooseberries, cluttering up the map. It just creates more problems.

miskas · 2019-10-17 18:38:55

because we will mess with bootstrapping.
It is ok to enforce scarcity by limiting wild berries but only after the bootstrap has ended.

Or we will need to rebalance Berries increasing the number of berries each bush contains to ensure they are enough for bootstrapping.

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DestinyCall · 2019-10-17 18:55:16

Eves don't just eat berries, right?

Just increase the initial spawn of burdock/onion/carrot/etc.

miskas · 2019-10-17 19:18:07

DestinyCall wrote:

Eves don't just eat berries, right?
Just increase the initial spawn of burdock/onion/carrot/etc.

yeap that could do, but you have to calculate how much to increase them to match the stable and reliable berry source.

DestinyCall · 2019-10-17 19:37:29

You are over-thinking things again. There's no need to carefully balance everything so it is perfect before making this kind of change. It will just work itself out over time and future updates.

Also, if the lack of renewable wild food makes boot-strapping harder, that is a good thing. Being an Eve should be hard. You have nothing and the world is a tough, unforgiving place. Most Eves should fail. Most people wandering around in the wild should starve and die. That is natural and good.

Hopefully, these changes will fix how easy it is to survive in the wild as an experienced player with zoom mod, because that is also a big problem right now. Way too many people living to 60 in this game.

Coconut Fruit · 2019-10-17 19:52:52

DestinyCall wrote:

The replenishment timer on wild gooseberry bush should be changed to match the new rate of pond refill - 168 hours.

Don't make things harder for very beginning towns. Better idea would be to make wild gooseberries stop growing after growing 15 berries in total (keep max 6 berries on a bush).
This would give us 21 berries from a bush in total.

DestinyCall · 2019-10-17 20:11:12

Coconut Fruit wrote:

DestinyCall wrote:
The replenishment timer on wild gooseberry bush should be changed to match the new rate of pond refill - 168 hours.
Don't make things harder for very beginning towns. Better idea would be to make wild gooseberries stop growing after growing 15 berries in total (keep max 6 berries on a bush).
This would give us 21 berries from a bush in total.

Now you are making things harder for Jason. Berries don't work like that, so it would require coding to implement that change. Adjusting the replenish rate or spawn chance is much faster.

Two bushes = 12 berries.

Doubling the initial spawn rate for wild foods, including wild gooseberry bush, would have essentially the same result without all the extra hassle of introducing new berry growth mechanics. Berry bushes would be more plentiful, but easily exhausted, like tiny red bananas.

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Booklat1 · 2019-10-17 23:33:49

Let's be honest, both baskets and bags not decaying anymore were poor decisions made when Jason tried to satisfy us by making storage better but didn't exactly listen to us and threw his first "do you know how many years of game dev I have?"

which is fine, I guess we ARE a pain in the ass but didn't really fix the issue and created others. He might've killed have the playerbase when he first made things decay but he also perfectly nailed the feel that he was trying to capture for the game. Nothing lasts, right?

I get that this change is with the same philosophy and is much more minor than adding decay but like tarr said somewhere, it just kills rabbit farming. Slow rabbits are good, decaying clothes are good, hardship is good. The game shutting its content out after a few generations not so much. Nerfing should guide us into unused content in the sake of our survival, just like the heat update did.

StrongForce · 2019-10-18 02:26:03

I remember the days before carrots. This game was so hard couldn't make it to my thirty's. Lost my town looking for food. It has gotten a lot easyer and lots of players are pampered.

I think the challenge of survival was what got me hooked in the first place.

We need a challenge for developed towns.
How about the plage or food rotting and making you slow if you eat it.

DestinyCall · 2019-10-18 02:36:17

Why not combine the two problems?

Too many food crops attract a horde of ravenous bunnies to eat all your carrots/berry bushes/cabbage/onions/tomatoes/wheat/etc ... stripping the land bare and empty behind their fluffy legions.

If only we had hunted more rabbits! This diaster could have been prevented.

juliakanakis · 2019-11-05 15:04:49

My decay opinions:

TL;DR I think bones, seeds, beans, wheat and flour should not decay, and everything else edible should decay.

New objects will be required to make sure you get your arrows, skewers, plates and bowls back.

Personally I think baskets are annoying when they decay because they are containers. If they survived as a "basket grave" like a corpse does then it would be less annoying. However, the mechanisms for replenishing the town's basket supply aren't a super fun minigame That could be tweaked.

Before you ask: I think the best way to deal with the flood of animal bones this would cause would be a new object "bones-only pile" with infinite, or near infinite, capacity. Trash pits are currently underpowered.

395   Carrot Seed Head                             decays: yes  should decay: no
858   Broken Steel Tool                            decays: yes  should decay: no
862   Broken Steel Tool# no wood                   decays: yes  should decay: no
1186  Squash Seeds                                 decays: yes  should decay: no
189   Rabbit Bone                                  decays: yes  should decay: no
190   Rabbit Bones                                 decays: yes  should decay: no
522   Goose Bones                                  decays: yes  should decay: no
227   Straw                                        decays: yes  should decay: no
566   Mouflon Bones                                decays: yes  should decay: no
572   Mouflon Bones#dumped                         decays: yes  should decay: no
589   Sheep Bones#dumped                           decays: yes  should decay: no
1345  Pig Bones#dumped                             decays: yes  should decay: no
1343  Pig Bones                                    decays: yes  should decay: no
2107  Fish Bones                                   decays: yes  should decay: no
588   Sheep Bones                                  decays: yes  should decay: no

1290  Cooked Wheat Tortilla                        decays: no  should decay: yes
1293  Stack of Bean Burritos                       decays: no  should decay: yes
1304  Cooked Corn Tortilla                         decays: no  should decay: yes
1307  Stack of Bean Tacos                          decays: no  should decay: yes
39    Wild Carrot                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
40    Carrot                                       decays: no  should decay: yes
180   Dead Rabbit                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
181   Skinned Rabbit                               decays: no  should decay: yes
182   Skinned Rabbit                               decays: no  should decay: yes
185   Skewered Rabbit                              decays: no  should decay: yes
186   Cooked Rabbit                                decays: no  should decay: yes
197   Cooked Rabbit                                decays: no  should decay: yes
242   Ripe Wheat                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
253   Bowl of Gooseberries                         decays: no  should decay: yes
254   Bowl of Rabbit                               decays: no  should decay: yes
255   Bowl of Minced Rabbit                        decays: no  should decay: yes
256   Bowl of Gooseberries And Rabbit              decays: no  should decay: yes
257   Bowl of Gooseberries, Rabbit, and Carrot     decays: no  should decay: yes
258   Bowl of Gooseberries and Carrot              decays: no  should decay: yes
259   Bowl of Mashed Berries, Rabbit, and Carrot   decays: no  should decay: yes
260   Bowl of Mashed Berries and Carrot            decays: no  should decay: yes
261   Bowl of Mashed Berries and Rabbit            decays: no  should decay: yes
262   Bowl of Rabbit and Carrot                    decays: no  should decay: yes
263   Bowl of Mashed Rabbit and Carrot             decays: no  should decay: yes
264   Raw Pie Crust                                decays: no  should decay: yes
265   Raw Berry Pie                                decays: no  should decay: yes
266   Raw Berry Carrot Pie                         decays: no  should decay: yes
267   Raw Berry Carrot Rabbit Pie                  decays: no  should decay: yes
268   Raw Carrot Pie                               decays: no  should decay: yes
269   Raw Carrot Rabbit Pie                        decays: no  should decay: yes
270   Raw Rabbit Pie                               decays: no  should decay: yes
271   Raw Berry Rabbit Pie                         decays: no  should decay: yes
272   Cooked Berry Pie                             decays: no  should decay: yes
273   Cooked Carrot Pie                            decays: no  should decay: yes
274   Cooked Rabbit Pie                            decays: no  should decay: yes
275   Cooked Berry Carrot Pie                      decays: no  should decay: yes
276   Cooked Berry Rabbit Pie                      decays: no  should decay: yes
277   Cooked Rabbit Carrot Pie                     decays: no  should decay: yes
278   Cooked Berry Carrot Rabbit Pie               decays: no  should decay: yes
402   Carrot                                       decays: no  should decay: yes
404   Wild Carrot                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
421   Dead Wolf with Arrow                         decays: no  should decay: yes
422   Dead Wolf                                    decays: no  should decay: yes
509   Pond with Dead Goose                         decays: no  should decay: yes
510   Pond with Dead Goose#arrow                   decays: no  should decay: yes
514   Dead Canada Goose                            decays: no  should decay: yes
515   Plucked Goose                                decays: no  should decay: yes
516   Skewered Goose                               decays: no  should decay: yes
517   Cooked Goose                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
518   Cooked Goose                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
547   Bowl of Carrot                               decays: no  should decay: yes
548   Bowl of Mashed Carrot                        decays: no  should decay: yes
562   Skinned Mouflon                              decays: no  should decay: yes
563   Skinned Mouflon#with hide                    decays: no  should decay: yes
564   Mouflon Hide                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
565   Butchered Mouflon                            decays: no  should decay: yes
569   Raw Mutton                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
570   Cooked Mutton                                decays: no  should decay: yes
587   Butchered Sheep                              decays: no  should decay: yes
595   Dead Sheep                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
596   Skinned Sheep                                decays: no  should decay: yes
597   Dead Sheep#shorn                             decays: no  should decay: yes
598   Dead Sheep#shorn fleece                      decays: no  should decay: yes
599   Dead Domestic Mouflon                        decays: no  should decay: yes
625   Wet Compost Pile                             decays: no  should decay: yes
768   Cactus Fruit                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
802   Raw Mutton Pie                               decays: no  should decay: yes
803   Cooked Mutton Pie                            decays: no  should decay: yes
806   Dug Burdock                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
807   Burdock Root                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
808   Wild Onion                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
1141  Wild Potato Tubers                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1147  Raw Potato                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
1148  Baked Potato                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1149  Half Baked Potato                            decays: no  should decay: yes
1150  Dug Potato                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
1152  Potato in Water                              decays: no  should decay: yes
1155  Split Potato Sprouts                         decays: no  should decay: yes
1175  Bowl of Green Beans                          decays: no  should decay: yes
1180  Bowl of Soaking Beans                        decays: no  should decay: yes
1181  Bowl of Soaked Beans                         decays: no  should decay: yes
1198  Cut Hubbard Squash                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1199  Hubbard Squash                               decays: no  should decay: yes
1200  Hubbard Squash On Plate                      decays: no  should decay: yes
1201  Plate of Squash Chunks with Seeds            decays: no  should decay: yes
1202  Plate of Squash Chunks                       decays: no  should decay: yes
1204  Dug Wild Cabbage                             decays: no  should decay: yes
1210  Ripe Cabbage Plant                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1211  Cut Red Cabbage                              decays: no  should decay: yes
1212  Red Cabbage                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
1222  Shredded Cabbage                             decays: no  should decay: yes
1225  Shredded Cabbage with Board                  decays: no  should decay: yes
1243  Crock with Squash                            decays: no  should decay: yes
1244  Crock with Squash and Beans                  decays: no  should decay: yes
1245  Dry Stew Pot                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1246  Raw Stew Pot                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1249  Three Sisters Stew                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1251  Bowl of Stew                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1260  Goose Beheaded                               decays: no  should decay: yes
1273  Dead Goose                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
1285  Omelette                                     decays: no  should decay: yes
1286  Flat Rock with Wheat Dough                   decays: no  should decay: yes
1287  Flat Rock with Masa Dough                    decays: no  should decay: yes
1288  Flat Rock with Wheat Tortilla                decays: no  should decay: yes
1289  Raw Wheat Tortilla                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1291  Stack of Wheat Tortillas                     decays: no  should decay: yes
1292  Bowl of Cooked Beans                         decays: no  should decay: yes
1294  Bean Burrito                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1300  Bowl of Masa Dough                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1301  Flat Rock with Corn Tortilla                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1302  Raw Corn Tortilla                            decays: no  should decay: yes
1305  Stack of Corn Tortillas                      decays: no  should decay: yes
1329  Shot Wild Boar with Piglet# arrow            decays: no  should decay: yes
1330  Shot Boar# arrow                             decays: no  should decay: yes
1331  Shot Boar with Piglet# no arrow              decays: no  should decay: yes
1332  Dead Boar# no arrow                          decays: no  should decay: yes
1340  Butchered Pig                                decays: no  should decay: yes
1342  Raw Pork                                     decays: no  should decay: yes
1352  Dead Domestic Pig                            decays: no  should decay: yes
1354  Bowl of Raw Pork                             decays: no  should decay: yes
1355  Bowl of Carnitas                             decays: no  should decay: yes
1356  Stack of Pork Tacos                          decays: no  should decay: yes
1358  Pork Taco                                    decays: no  should decay: yes
1441  Dead Bison with Calf#arrow 2                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1443  Dead Bison with Calf#arrow 1                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1445  Dead Bison with Calf                         decays: no  should decay: yes
1463  Bowl of Whole Milk                           decays: no  should decay: yes
1464  Bowl of Cream                                decays: no  should decay: yes
1465  Bowl of Butter                               decays: no  should decay: yes
1466  Bowl of Leavened Dough                       decays: no  should decay: yes
1468  Leavened Dough on Clay Plate                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1469  Raw Bread Loaf                               decays: no  should decay: yes
1470  Baked Bread                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
1471  Sliced Bread                                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1473  Buttered Bread on Clay Plate                 decays: no  should decay: yes
1474  Bread Slice on Clay Plate                    decays: no  should decay: yes
1476  Slice of Bread                               decays: no  should decay: yes
1478  Full Bucket of Milk                          decays: no  should decay: yes
1479  Partial Bucket of Milk                       decays: no  should decay: yes
1480  Bucket of Separated Milk                     decays: no  should decay: yes
1481  Bowl of Skim Milk                            decays: no  should decay: yes
1483  Partial Bucket of Skim Milk                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2096  Arctic Char                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2100  Fishing Pole with Char                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2103  Skewered Fish                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2104  Cooked Fish                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2106  Cooked Fish                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2124  Full Bucket of Skim Milk                     decays: no  should decay: yes
2143  Banana                                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2176  Shot Turkey# with Arrow                      decays: no  should decay: yes
2177  Shot Turkey# no arrow                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2182  Plucked Turkey                               decays: no  should decay: yes
2183  Plucked Turkey on Plate                      decays: no  should decay: yes
2185  Cooked Turkey                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2186  Cooked Turkey on Plate                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2187  Carved Turkey on Plate                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2188  Drum Sticks on Plate                         decays: no  should decay: yes
2189  Turkey Carcass on Plate                      decays: no  should decay: yes
2190  Turkey Slice on Plate                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2191  Turkey Drumstick                             decays: no  should decay: yes
2192  Turkey Leg Bone                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2193  Drum Stick on Plate                          decays: no  should decay: yes
2489  Shot Domestic Boar with Piglet# arrow        decays: no  should decay: yes
2742  Carrot Pile                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2771  Wet Planted Sugarcane                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2772  Sprouting Sugarcane                          decays: no  should decay: yes
2773  Bowl of Sugarcane Chunks                     decays: no  should decay: yes
2774  Bowl of Sugarcane Pulp                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2775  Bowl of Soaking Sugarcane Pulp               decays: no  should decay: yes
2776  Sugarcane Pulp in Simmering Water            decays: no  should decay: yes
2777  Bowl of Cooked Sugarcane Pulp                decays: no  should decay: yes
2778  Cooked Sugarcane Pulp on Hot Coals           decays: no  should decay: yes
2779  Ashes with Bowl of Cooked Sugarcane Pulp     decays: no  should decay: yes
2780  Bowl of Cane Juice                           decays: no  should decay: yes
2781  Simmering Cane Juice                         decays: no  should decay: yes
2782  Bowl of Bagasse                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2783  Bowl of Raw Sugar                            decays: no  should decay: yes
2784  Ashes with Bowl of Raw Sugar                 decays: no  should decay: yes
2785  Dried Raw Sugar                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2786  Bowl of Sugared Cream                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2791  Crock of Chilling Cream                      decays: no  should decay: yes
2792  Crock of Ice Cream                           decays: no  should decay: yes
2793  Crock of Warm Sugared Cream                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2794  Bowl of Ice Cream                            decays: no  should decay: yes
2796  Spoon of Ice Cream                           decays: no  should decay: yes
2807  Wild Pepper                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2811  Perhaps some Shrimp                          decays: no  should decay: yes
2812  Net of Shrimp#just caught                    decays: no  should decay: yes
2815  Shrimp                                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2817  Net of Shrimp                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2818  Plate of Whole Shrimp                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2819  Plate of Cleaned Shrimp                      decays: no  should decay: yes
2820  Skewered Shrimp                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2823  Cooked Shrimp                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2826  Bowl of Fermented Tomato Seed Pulp           decays: no  should decay: yes
2827  Bowl of Soaking Tomato Seed Pulp             decays: no  should decay: yes
2835  Fruiting Tomato Plant                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2836  Tomato                                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2843  Fruiting Pepper Plant                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2844  Hot Pepper                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
2853  Onion Sprouts                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2854  Ripe Onions                                  decays: no  should decay: yes
2855  Onion                                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2857  Wet Planted Onion                            decays: no  should decay: yes
2858  Onion on Plate                               decays: no  should decay: yes
2859  Tomato on Plate                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2860  Chopped Onion on Plate                       decays: no  should decay: yes
2861  Chopped Tomato on Plate                      decays: no  should decay: yes
2862  Bowl of Salsa                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2863  Chopped Tomato and Onion on Plate            decays: no  should decay: yes
2864  Chopped Tomato and Onion with Hot Pepper     decays: no  should decay: yes
2865  Corn Tortilla in Bowl                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2866  Raw Tortilla Chips                           decays: no  should decay: yes
2867  Simmering Palm Oil                           decays: no  should decay: yes
2868  Tortilla Chips                               decays: no  should decay: yes
2869  Tortilla Chip                                decays: no  should decay: yes
2870  Chip with Salsa                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2871  Potato on Plate                              decays: no  should decay: yes
2872  Raw French Fries on Plate                    decays: no  should decay: yes
2873  French Fries on Plate                        decays: no  should decay: yes
2874  French Fry                                   decays: no  should decay: yes
2875  French Fry with Ketchup                      decays: no  should decay: yes

Kaveh · 2019-11-05 17:53:09

Food generally has no time to decay since it gets eaten pretty fast, but you want seeds to stick around forever?? God that'd be hell. People accidentally pick up seeds incredibly often and then dump them on the floor, which then takes a spot that cant be used until either someone picks it up or it decays. We don't have enough place to save all those seeds forever. Just put them in a bowl if you want to keep them.

With bones I see no reason to not let them decay. Why do you want to keep those around? They'd just be in the way or cause useless effort if you need to put them on a pile.

I agree with OP, everything should decay eventually.

DestinyCall · 2019-11-05 19:30:59

Bones and seeds should definitely decay.

Keyin · 2019-12-21 23:27:15

Just lived in an Eve camp and we had tons and tons of food.

I made 10 plates personally(still wasn't enough IMO), and we managed to get lots of bread, pies, omelettes, and turkey. No one was at risk of going hungry. Me and the other elders stood around trying to empty plates by feeding the young adults.

So right now there is never any danger of starving mostly due to the slow drain Jason added for steampocalypse, but even without the boost you're rarely in a situation where there isn't much food.

I think making everything organic decay would be a step in the right direction because it satisfies both:

-Not arbitrary - All organic matter decays in real life
-Adds a challenge, food production must become nearly constant to replace decaying food

FulmenTheFinn · 2019-12-21 23:43:54

Keyin wrote:

[D]ue to the slow drain Jason added for steampocalypse

I'm pretty sure the slow drain ended after like 8-12 hours of the recent Steam sale going live...?

Keyin · 2019-12-21 23:49:24

FulmenTheFinn wrote:

Keyin wrote:
[D]ue to the slow drain Jason added for steampocalypse
I'm pretty sure the slow drain ended after like 8-12 hours of the recent Steam sale going live...?

Really? drain still feels slow and I think bonus is still up to +4 from +2

DestinyCall · 2019-12-22 00:00:05

Keyin wrote:

I think making everything organic decay would be a step in the right direction because it satisfies both:
-Not arbitrary - All organic matter decays in real life
-Adds a challenge, food production must become nearly constant to replace decaying food

Buckets are made from wood and rope. Both organic products. The wood will rot. The rope will break. Buckets shouldn't last forever.

Fancy clothing is made from balls of thread. Balls of thread come from sheep. That's organic too. The threads would eventually wear out, get dirty and torn, fall apart into rag clothes. Fancy clothing shouldn't last forever.

Bellows are made from rabbit hides and wood sticks ... etc etc. I think you can see where I'm going with this. But why stop there? Everything crumbles and falls eventually. Even a stone wall wouldn't last forever.

Nothing lasts forever. Let it all die.

EVEN THIS THREAD.

FulmenTheFinn · 2019-12-22 00:10:05

Keyin wrote:

FulmenTheFinn wrote:
Keyin wrote:
[D]ue to the slow drain Jason added for steampocalypse
I'm pretty sure the slow drain ended after like 8-12 hours of the recent Steam sale going live...?

Really? drain still feels slow and I think bonus is still up to +4 from +2

Could be that's the case, but the slow drain was really slow at the time of the sale. I remember that distinctly, because I was wondering at the time how the dozen or so noobs running around in an Eve camp with no food weren't dying, then noticed my food bar was taking literally minutes to tick down a few boxes. The drain got a lot faster I think some 8-12h later, but maybe it's still not as fast as pre-sale.

Kinrany · 2019-12-22 02:54:01

It should be very dangerous to travel in the wilderness. Otherwise no matter how it's balanced, if Eve camps are at all possible, then you can walk around the map eating natural food and not growing anything yourself.

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