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The idea here is to save time. Some players just want to try out a certain role in game and are forced to kill themselves right after spawn, if situation does not match them.

However, it should come at cost, so current ingame mechanics should still be favorable.

Also, in real life when you expect a baby, you are usually helping it with your mate's help. Currently this game does not allow it to. And there are no father-kid relationships. This is drawing drama, immersion fun away from this game. I know some people with missing dad syndrome. Every time I play this game I remember their sorrow.

Your points about "breed chat" are viable, maybe something straightforward, like "Lets have a baby x" is better. But you did not reasoned less options for spawning.

It would be awesome! I like to see pile of irons there, pile milkweed stalks over there and so one. Imagine how immersive it would be

Remember suggestion here https://www.reddit.com/r/OneLifeSuggest … for_stuff/

Joriom is right. Jason, you are trying to rebalance the game all the time. It is tedious both for you and us. The best option to not bore players is to add solid foundations.  There are many great examples in this thread how to do it. And how to force people to move to next technology stage (like, abandon those carrots and start farming wheat instead!)? Every new variant of technology should give significant bonus

I will rework this idea and post separate thread and suggestion on reddit. This is almost exatly how it works in real life! Tilled rows cannot be moved. You are still limited by amount of work, water and eradicated tiles.

Aqueducts! The hole water management thing will be posted in another suggestion. Especially informing, how swamp ponds works, how deep wells are better than shallow. And a new thing, springs, should be present only in badlands

I thing, the need to eat, at least for herbivores, can be area dependent. Take example:
Mouflons are running in random directions, but never too far from badlands. There would be 2 timers applied: baby born and death (after maybe 10 timers for baby elapses). Each time baby born timers elapses, it checks the area, like 15 tiles in every direction, if there is already another mouflon. If not, new baby can be spawn. The same can be applicable to rabbits and horses. I think, it is much easier than adding new plant objects or changing tile biom type because of pasture.

The hole system is planning to be described in another thread, along with reddit suggestion. Stay Vigilant!

It does not work.
But other things still worth consideration

Jason, the main issue I see is you are refusing the idea of items affecting each other in the area. I think this is a key for further technology advancement and managing even current state. With area effects you can make things dynamic, self-managing and focus on farther development.

Example how it may work: Tree.
Lets say tree is trying to spread sprout around every 15 minutes and lives for only one hour before becoming a dead tree  (which will also eventually disappear after another hour). When timer elapses, it will search the nearby area and choose by random place that is at least 4 tiles far from every other tree and is of matching biom tile.

Possibilities:
1. You can still screw everything up, for example by chopping the last tree in green biom.
2. Even without complete eradicating area, the scarcity of resources will make villagers die.
3. You can take an epic mission with repopulating areas with certain tress, rabbits.
4. Farmed plants can use the same models as wild variants. They will check area, see there is already to much in densed place and spreading sprouts on random far from current farm. This will make game more immersive. And, no infinite carrot farm, as grown carrot will be the same as wild carrot (maybe also wild carrots should have more than 1 root).
5. You are applying the S-curve of population growth for all resources. Such a dynamic system is much more fun to play. Immersive, intuitive, but tricky to manage.
6. In future, you can make bigger structures, like power plants, oil and water supply network. These things may affect each another in close area.
7. No more well spam.
8. Explosives with big area effect.
9. You can build a factory with production line. Without it, everything will be always hand made, even with tools.
10. Volcanoes, lava, swamp poisoning gases, rabies and animal hunting each other

However, there is very important question to Jason: do you consider area effects ever, applied also by objects? If not, managing the hole game will be always a little counter-intuitive and un-ummersive, but it will help us all understand what is possible to do, and what is not. We will be making better suggestions. I think, the area effects will also gain their own suggestion on reddit

All your points are true. Griefer may hide all medicines, bandages, knifes, arrows. But he cannot hide everything, as some tools are used and keeped in hands (shovels, adzes, shafts) and he cannot steal fists. A mob with regular tools should be able, with casualties, to fight back the griefer.

However, this is not the point of combat system and it was not thought to counter griefers. This is just a background to add more social interactions and complex behavior. There are no diseases in the game. There are (almost) no wounds. Only hunger. And near death of starvation character has the same physical output as fully feed one. As you can see, this in fact is not a combat system: this is a wound system. It allows to apply severe wounds from bear attack, poisoning from snake, diseases, lying helpless waiting for help. A village with shaman/doctor may try to prepare for such an event, an individual before going into forest may take to backpack a snake antidote. You, as a naked Eve, may find a fully clothed brave male hero lying helpless on minus bar hoping for rescue. And you can rescue him. Or smash him with nearby rock and steal all his equipment.

Wound system actually adds more drama and I think it will please many players. Nice ones (crafting medicines, helping wounded) and griefers.

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It already is pvp

But there is no need for serious thought. After building sustainable village there is no more to do. This is why Jason is making it harded. But it implies less and less role play with every update.

From the Maslow triangle comes the order: basic needs -> security -> allegiance -> feeling rewarded and needed -> self expression

We are between 2 first steps. There is no allegiance: no city names, no history, no wars. Only survival. If we get epic missions, or necessity to actually cooperate, we would feel as the part of the community. Other MMO's are making it by trinity tank/dps/healer. Everybody is needed and you actually really urges to cooperate. There are some approaches, like 3-shot bear or watering adobe wall and bell tower.

Of course it is not I mean, it is, by the first time somebody raises you to adultthood. It sometimes happens you are raised by caring mother. I was talking to my kids 'I love u', as kid. I typed 'Mum' as fast as I could. Then I died, because all this caring-communication leaved no time to eat. Most caring persons are newbies without clothes.

I was succesful in OHOL only when I neglected communication, when everybody knew what to do and did not talk, like in sweat shop. Jason even aims in making it more sweat shop to give players challenge. There is less and less place for caring about others.

U know the games theory? Optimal strategy is when everybody communicates and they care about community. But evolutionary stable (in OHOL) is only to care about own business. Kids? Valuable only if they know mechanics and will contribute to society. Type Q or feed the snakes

Of course it is not his aim. He wants to put there emotions and drama. Mostly about bad situation, but:
1. We don't care
2. If we care, we die. You say you care? You raise all your children? You don't eugenic boys? How succesful are your villages?
3. Go back to point 1.

There is clearly no game design. OHOL is a social experiment, not only because nobody know what strategies players take, but also because game designs depends very heavily on players suggestion. And we should be very careful what we want, because some of us lobbed for decay

It's not mine. I've read it on Reddit.

It is a waste of time to communicate 5 letter words. Waste a time to wait to read 6 lonely words making a sentence.

The point is Maslow piramide. We are all at bottom: fighting for sustain. Except for city dwellers: they are one step higher, fighting the griefers (the next step will be wars and allegiance, but it is impossible in current game state).

When people have to choose their time: communicate or do anything useful, when there are so many things to do, nobody will choose to communicate. Solutions:
1. Jason has to add voice chat and allow all players to fully communicate via keyboard chat
2. Jason must apply some pause system, where we can stay longer chatting in no rush for eating/gathering. Something like sleep mode, resting in tent, night. At least sitting

Without that, only people coordinaded outside of game, like 111 gen Discord group are able to achieve anything.

I think update will add riding kids in carts. But hunter gatherer style is called "travois", the low level version of carts.

I disagree. As Nimue said, female can choose not to raise kids or even kill them. Overpopulation in only female city is not the greater problem then sex mixed city, when citizena already care about sustain.

There is no point in being man during current mechanics. Only roleplay.

I put some suggestion about making man actually useful in other thread, but it requires combat system.

Hi guys! As casual I am stunned how are you guys missing simple solutions (not all of you!) that might improve current imbalancies and give more freedom to us, players. And even more: add immersion trough realism!

1. Make murders and griefing not only an option, but a very valid way trough karma system (after reborn we share memory with previous life, why not the soul?). Catching players on lassos or putting them in front of court is counterproductive. Griefer may log out and it would be silly to punish him with ban while he paid for the game. There is still the way to give karma by players, not the game: blessings and curses. Like in Bible (this game have many religious motives) it was Cain's blood what called God for punishment. Therefore, by blessing /curse (one action per life?) system we can award players to give them marks (maybe visible only after reborn?). This way we may have... Prophets with aureolas! True rulers that may overcome (the possible tyranny) of current kings . And Cain marked kids who should be born to other Cain mark holders. Enough curses may give ability to canibalism, which can produce entire tribes of savages rampaging whole cities out. Griefers will not be only bored endgamers trying to prove something out. Karma should also go back to neutral every reborn, so prophets and cannibals are not too easy to create. Maybe add some hysteresis, so simple threshold would not clear previous guilts? Easy to catch cannibal trait, little hard to remove it?
Realism aspect: some people have charisma and are natural born leaders. Aureolas may be a way to give some people this trait. Also, cannibalism was popular in prehistoric tribes and in XX century was accepted only in savage tribes.

2. We can't have NPC guards? Of course we can! Lets domesticate wolfs. They are so many possibilities!
- guards on doorstep. May attack anyone but the owner who steps in. Tied to skewer (fence? tree?) may protect also surrounding tiles up to 10 tiles (including middle). On owner request (Rex sit! Rex stay! Rex guard!) can allow to bypass strangers trough city gate (this would require the first guy holding a puppy to give it a name, which creates pernament owner-dog connection)
- can dogs bark on bears, wolfs and Cain mark holders? Or only at fresh murderers?
- as followers may be bodyguards attacking the killer
- maybe help hunting? Fetching catched rabbits, gooses? Would it require rabbits and gooses to wander around hide spots, so only fast dogs may overrun them and catch for owner?
- may carry items in dog sledges? Improvised stretchers, usable also by humans? They may be low-level carts with only two basket allowed to carry. This would also support low lewel nomad tribes, because backpack is actually quite advanced technology
- tracking dogs, which can catch the smell of murderer from fresh, bloody grave/body. This way, you can remove unnatural slowing effect and weapons which cannot be dropped for a while from murderers. They would need to wash themselves and their clothing after homicide in order to loose dog follower Maybe only cloth change?
- to counter such strong ally, they would need to eat. May they even be tricked by Kentucky Fried Goose to make them peaceful meat eaters for a while?
Realism aspect: dogs were domesticated before horses and sheeps. They also have all the features mentioned above and many more!

3. Make shelves. They may have higher capacity then carts and cannot be just dragged away by griefer. They may also be little more easy to craft, as furniture is  simpler then vehicles. This is much better for settled down community. Realism aspect: this whole point.

4. Give weapons semi hp feature. Each hit may drag some hunger instatly out while giving bleeding effect on view others (maybe bleeding only on sharp weapons?). This way, stabbing with knife may be lethal, just not instantly. Just like arrow shot wolf. Possibilities:
- adrenaline kick so victimc can eacape. Much more realistic than slowing shock on attacker
- give males perma armor, so attacking them takes always 1-2 less hunger bars away? This would also fix a little the male useless issues. Now young male baby would not be a burden usually left by Eves in wilderness. They are future protectors! Realism aspect: woman survive longer on starvation so giving them shorter hunger bars is counterintuitive. But still, on average they are shorter, weaker, slower. Permaarmor would reflect this difference and give men at least one advantage over women, so they are not abandon so often
- bleeding citizen may search help. Maybe we can add craftable bandages? Realism aspect: medicine!
- this would also support animal attacks. Wolfs are usually hurting their prey and following it during bleeding. Snakes instead of permakill may poison victim. Craftable antidote may be a new feature. Bear victim may survive a little under bear attack with no escape possibility. Others may kill the bear and help attacked one. Realism: medicine and semi combat mode. Because some people survived bear attacks
- can make all tools and even fists a weapon. With blunt damage giving no bleeding, while sharp tools may cause some bleeding. They can be much weaker than knifes and bows. Realism aspect: there are many events were mob was able to stop a rampage. If killer IRL want to make massacre, he goes to gun free zone: usually school, univercity, music event. The Russeau peaculf tribe man is a myth. Allow me attack others with a rock!

The last realism aspect: our ancestors lived in rich environments, which are now agricultured, leaving for current hunter gatherers barren bioms. Despite that, they usually work only 2 hours a day to sustain themselves! The biggest challenge for hunter gatherers and first farmers were other people.

Chimpanzee homicide rate is 30%, Amazonian savages around 15%. 30-year warr carried away more Germans than WW2. In total numbers! There is really no point in removing violence from the game. In fact, it would be even more amazing to raise the kid in so unfriendly environment!

The last point, directly to Jason: you are running in place while trying to make village sustaining a challenge. Add soil crafting, nerve it with finite worms, make seeding carrots remove soil, add diggable burdock root. IRL sustaining the village was easy and possible even without depleting resources. This is other humans who were making survival hard. I have more points connected to your 'everything runs out' approach i hope to tell later. Also, violence and thus war, is stronger connected with long journeys than scavenging the area And longer journeys of Eves unable to sustain their children after one of patches is the thing you enjoyed. But, it pisses people, especially casuals like me.

Guys, thanks for reading the whole post. Basing on the feedback, I may put these suggestions on reddit, or support already existing threads. I am sorry for every mistake, but I am writing from mobile, not even in my native language. To not trash this thread with grammar nazi: please inform me about language errors in priv.